status of up2date and rhn-applet

[Axel Thimm]

On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 08:37:23AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 16:54 +0100, Axel Thimm wrote:
> > Well, w/o even testing the repo and its contents how can you make a
> > statement on whether and which packages are unneccessary updates, and
> > whether or not stability of your system is at stake?
> 
> So it seems things have changed since I last tried ATrpms in the FC3
> days.  Back then, every rpm seemed to dep on an atrpms package, which in
> turn depd on a lot of core replacements.

No, that was never the case. Neither did _all_ packages depend on
"atrpms", nor did "atrpms" depend on anything else. The truth behind
this is that

o some packages depended on common helper programs, like
  - kernel modules for modifying the path of modules.conf for
    2.4. kernels and doing some other depmod auxilary stuff.
  - perl modules for fixing perl's path ordering (getting site in
    front of vendor/perl)

o Removing "atrpms" would result in these packages being removed, as
  these were inverse dependecies. But "atrpms" never had any
  dependencies of its own.

> This doesn't seem to be the case anymore.  This is why I made the
> disclaimer that I hadn't tried atrpms in a while.

What has changed is that the dependencies above are not needed with
modern Fedora Core. perl has been fixed, ATrpms places perl modules
under vendor for backwards compatibility with broken perl paths and
the kmdl paths are injected through modutils, which has also been
fixed in recent Fedora Core, so even that is not neccessary.

Speaking of neccessary package replacements (in prior FCs):
modutils/module-init-tools had to be patched to look under /updates/
to allow kmdls to properly work. So blindly discarding core updates
because "it's bad", or asking to move these packages into a sub-repo,
effectively disables almost all of ATrpms.

That's just an example. Every package replacement has its own history
of neccessity.
-- 
Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net
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