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Re: FC5 and Yum Plugins



On 12/30/2005 07:13:22 AM, Axel Thimm wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 01:05:46AM -0800, Jarod Wilson wrote:
> > On Thursday 29 December 2005 20:53, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > > >And generate more support issues with the 3rd party repos. Yum is
> > > >already creating support headaches with the --enable=foo switch, and
> > > >having this being the default will not make it easier on us.
> > > >
> > > >Do you want 3rd parties to support Fedora Core? Then consider whether
> > > >you want to make is easier or more difficult for those repositores to
> > > >operate properly.
> > >
> > > I dont use them so I am neutral on that. Only talking about users here.
> > 
> > I'm in the position of being both a user and a contributor to one of said 
> > 3rd-party repositories[1]. I definitely still want to support Fedora Core.
> > 
> > > >And don't forget: We're talking about fixing something that isn't
> > > >broken ...
> > >
> > > Getting bug reports based on packages being replaced isnt exactly a non
> > > issue.
> > 
> > Axel, I have to agree with Rahul here. While it isn't "broken", per se, its 
> > definitely an issue. There are quite a few people who are rather adverse to 
> > the way ATrpms, if enabled in full, replaces core packages, but still want to 
> > use a number of ATrpms packages. I know that (at least most of ;) the reasons 
> > for ATrpms replacing core packages are pure, at least from ATrpms' point of 
> > view, but there's something to be said for only upgrading what *must* be 
> > upgraded to add a new program.
> > 
> > I think the majority of users who complain about ATrpms replacing core 
> > packages are what I'd call power-users, who are bright enough to enable 
> > protectbase for themselves, so protectbase off by default sounds reasonable 
> > to me. I think it gives those power-users what they want, and minimizes 
> > headaches for 3rd-party repo maintainers from sheeple who just want an mp3 
> > player (or mythtv ;).
> 
> ahm, the issue is about enabling this by default, not whether it the
> plugin itself makes it into the release.

Jarod described my position to a T. I use some, but not all possible ATrpms, 
so I am grateful for Axel's work, and the last thing I want to do is alienate 
him or have him stop caring about fedora. While I would like the distribution 
to contain protectbase, I'd have no problem swithching it on, so a compromise 
that it is shipped disabled would be fine with me.

Regards, Willem Riede.



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