grip being removed [Re: rawhide report: 20050120 changes]

Rodd Clarkson rodd at
Tue Feb 15 03:41:04 UTC 2005

On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 21:31 -0500, Alan Cox wrote:
>On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 02:25:46PM -0800, Denis Leroy wrote:
>> So why couldn't the Fedora project ask Fraunhofer (a german company, 
>> btw, so all this talk about 'Mandrake is a french company and not 
>> affected by patent law' seems rather weak) for permission ?
>Fedora is a free software project. Note that the Fraunhofer comment was about
>free (as in beer) not free as in price. So again we'd screw all the people who
>build things on Fedora or make CD images.

Okay, but this is the bit I struggle with in regard to the idea of a
community process for Fedora Core.

What I read your comments as saying is that give that Fedora Core is
free (as in beer) then there is no problem with including it in Fedora
Core.  The problem lies in people using Fedora Core down-stream.  Am I

IF this is the case:

This seems to be a sticking point in the community driven process for
FC.  In this case, software that could be included isn't because it
might hinder some other group down-stream that wishes to benefit from
the work in FC.

Part of me says, "Who Cares, that's there problem"  If RHEL want's to
base off of FC then they might need to remove some aspects of it to meet
their needs, but why should the community driven process be limited
because RHEL wants FC to be just right for RHEL (instead of just right
for FC users).

Or why should FC care whether third parties (in some countries) who can
download the ISO's and then charge per CD-ROM might be affected by the
software included.

I guess this is to some extent and issue of just how libre free FC is,
but it also is an issue of the community process that FC should have.

We need some method of including things that would be fine in FC, but
not fine in say RHEL or when someone produces disks an sells them.
Similar to extras I guess, but easy for FC users to just install, but
also where down-stream users who might be affected by such software
aren't required to rebuild to just supply onward.

Or I might just be raving (mad) ;-]


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