FC3 -> FC4 Upgrade? (was Re: reducing distribution CD count)

Colin Charles byte at aeon.com.my
Sat Feb 26 04:43:02 UTC 2005

On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 14:49 -0600, Michael Favia wrote:
> >Mostly to keep the signal/noise ratio down.
> >  
> >
> Sounds awful elitist and Machiavellian for a community driven project.

All major open source projects have closed lists to keep the s/n ratio
down for other development discussions. We're following the model GNOME
used for gnome-hackers and gnome-hackers-readonly

(though they then made the mistake of desktop-devel-list which became
rather noisy, again)

> I agree, but then you are just granting the illusion of a community 
> controlled project arent you? Essentially the real discussion concerning 
> dev will have been moved to f-m right? I understand that trying to keep 

No. If a community member not on fedora-maintainers reads something in
fedora-maintainers-readonly, I'm sure the thread can be continued on in

> the project moving without all of this "change is bad" and "me too" crap 
> is important but i think that this "fix"  fails to live up to the 
> community aspect of the project doesnt it? Essentially your voice doesnt 
> matter if you arent a maintainer anymore because the other lists will be 
> read less and less by RH and maintainers over time. As a result you will 
> lose the community driven nature i think because all of the opinions 
> batted about will be those of maintainers alone. A moderated white list 
> of users that conduct themselves in a prescribed manner makes most sense 
> to me.

No. Folk will still read fedora-devel, and don't feel left out by it

Also, the other thing to keep in mind is that getting a package
maintained isn't too hard, and the Extras process is now, open. My last
cvs sync gave me about 572 packages in Extras; last time I checked with
the "universe" of packages that another major distribution had, they fit
an entire 2 DVDs iirc. So contribute more packages, I guess, and lets
make Fedora rock (harder)!
Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, 
then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi

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