FC3 -> FC4 Upgrade? (was Re: reducing distribution CD count)

[Eric Warnke]

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, seth vidal wrote:

>> I think everyone wants the same things, to make sure FC4 does not turn
>> into an end user nightmare.  Personally my vote would be for 5 cd's until
>> a true fix can be applied rather than a last minute pulling of packages.
>> But seeing as that may not be happening.
>
> That's been true forever if you EVER installed a former release  and
> either:
> 1. had ANY package removed which you used (lprng anyone?)

lprng was never part of core ( afaict )

> 2. ever installed something from fedora.us, freshrpms, dagrpms, atrpms,

I don't install things from fedora.us, freshrpms, dag, ... if I need 
something outside core I rebuild it, test it and deploy it in a local 
repo.  I don't think it's unreasonable to let the user know that they are 
breaking there system in anaconda.

But that's not the point.  FC1 was 3 discs, FC2 was 4 discs and there was 
a grand total of 21 packages removed ( list below ) and 128 additional 
packages.  FC3 was 4 discs as well and there were 53 packages removed from 
the system ( list below ) and 78 additions.  Of these packages removed 
MOST were because java was pulled and therefore the associated packages 
were also pulled.  Looking at these lists it's clear that the vast 
majority of these packages were removed because or age, or neglect.

In contrast, with this round of cuts you are asking for and removing 
packages that are not neglected or obsolete but packages at that are 
regularly used by members of this list.

I don't think it's outragious of the community to ask why those packages 
have been removed with such haste?  Why a 5 disc FC4 is such a problem? 
Why not better inform the user with anaconda?  Might I remind RedHat that 
they floated the question to the community without any standards of what 
or why.  No attempt has been made to clarify the exact ammount of space 
that need to be made up.  No one has attempted to bzip2 packages that 
might save space.  Between suggestions already made we could reduce the 
overage by half.  Careful inspection of the packages could reveal more 
dead packages and then larger items could be examined for cutting.

Cheers,
Eric

Packages removed from FC2
-Xbae
-Xlt
-ami
-bonobo-conf
-boost-jam
-cipe
-gnome-vfs2-extras
-imap
-indexhtml
-kdoc
-kpppload
-libcapplet0
-libgtop
-libmrproject
-mars-nwe
-mrproject
-nmh
-run
-xawtv
-xcpustate
-xtraceroute

Packages removed from FC3
-Gtk-Perl
-Wnn6-SDK
-ac-archive
-ant
-aspell-pt_BR
-bcel
-bluez-pan
-bluez-sdp
-chromium
-commons-beanutils
-commons-collections
-commons-dbcp
-commons-digester
-commons-fileupload
-commons-logging
-commons-modeler
-commons-pool
-cup
-dvdrtools
-glade
-gqview
-gtkam
-gtkglarea
-hwcrypto
-iiimf-le-inpinyin
-iscsi
-jaf
-jakarta-regexp
-javamail
-junit
-libole2
-librep
-licq
-linc
-mx4j
-mysql-jdbc
-njamd
-pidentd
-pilot-link095-compat
-python-optik
-quanta
-redhat-java-rpm-scripts
-rep-gtk
-sawfish
-servletapi
-shapecfg
-struts
-system-config-proc
-tomcat
-unarj
-xalan-j
-xerces-j