ESR "fedora-submit"

Ralf Corsepius rc040203 at freenet.de
Sat Dec 30 05:05:45 UTC 2006


On Sun, 2006-12-24 at 19:18 -0500, Michael Tiemann wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-12-24 at 19:09 -0500, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote:
> > On 12/24/06, Eric S. Raymond <esr at thyrsus.com> wrote:
> > > The question remains.  Do I have to *do shit by hand*
> > 
> > Why not, you're doing an admirable job so far.
> 
> Konstantin--how many packages do you maintain?  I think that rather than
> sniping at a would-be contributor, I'd like to see somebody who is
> maintaining at least 30, and perhaps 50 packages explain how *they*
I am one of those ;)

>  do it.
By hand - It's largely trivial and __way__ less effort than some people
seem to expect.

>   Maybe they have a better way.  Maybe it drives them almost as crazy
> Eric.  How *does* a maintainer of 36 packages would with the Fedora
> process?  How *should* one do it?  This is the question and the problem
> to be solved.
IMO, this is largely a non-issue. The real issues with maintaining 50+
packages in Fedora are elsewhere. 

Some examples:
* Lack of automated rebuilds (manual mass rebuilds are a PITA).

* Lack of automated "distro-consistency checks" (E.g. broken EVRs could
fairly easily be avoided - Check a package before releasing it).

* Lack of control over the release process (Currently, packages are
automatically being pushed - No chance for a maintainer to withdraw a
broken/mis-compiled built). I would expect maintainers to give "explicit
clearance" before a package is being released.

...

But ... all these issues are comparatively minor. The real road-blocks
rendering Fedora non-attractive are of non-technical nature.

Ralf






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