fedora-devel-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 44
Bob
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Wed Sep 20 10:53:07 UTC 2006
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> 1. Re: FC5->FC6T3 (DVD) upgrade dies. Time to consider test4?
> (Was: Yum upgrade?) (alan)
> 2. Re: FC5->FC6T3 (DVD) upgrade dies. Time to consider test4?
> (Was: Yum upgrade?) (Rahul)
> 3. Re: FC5->FC6T3 (DVD) upgrade dies. Time to consider test4?
> (Was: Yum upgrade?) (alan)
> 4. Re: wake-up from suspend (Kevin Fenzi)
> 5. Re: wake-up from suspend (Till Maas)
> 6. todays rawhide segfaults ipv6 (Louis Garcia)
> 7. Re: wake-up from suspend (Thorsten Leemhuis)
> 8. Re: wake-up from suspend (Dan Hor?k)
> 9. Re: wake-up from suspend (Richard Hughes)
> 10. Re: wake-up from suspend (David Zeuthen)
> 11. Re: todays rawhide segfaults ipv6 (Bill Nottingham)
> 12. Re: FC5->FC6T3 (DVD) upgrade dies. Time to consider test4?
> (Was: Yum upgrade?) (Ian Burrell)
> 13. development-source repository broken (Ian Burrell)
> 14. Re: wake-up from suspend (Till Maas)
> 15. Re: wake-up from suspend (Richard Hughes)
> 16. Re: cups daemon not starting with test3 (Orion Poplawski)
> 17. Re: Anyone working on kdelibs4 snapshot packages for
> developers? (Kevin Kofler)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:05:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: alan <alan at clueserver.org>
> Subject: Re: FC5->FC6T3 (DVD) upgrade dies. Time to consider test4?
> (Was: Yum upgrade?)
> To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
> <fedora-devel-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609190901210.21327 at blackbox.fnordora.org>
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> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
>
>>
>> Le Mar 19 septembre 2006 04:08, Mike Chambers a écrit :
>>> And from
>>> FC5 to rawhide is a supported upgrade and *is suppose* to work
>>
>> FCn to rawhide is always supposed to work, else there would be no way to
>> get testers on rawhide in the first place (all the maintainers who let
>> the
>> devel version of their package bitrot should remember this)
>>
>> What's allways been officially non-supported is update from rawhide to
>> anything else (which is a shame)
>
> Last night I tested the upgrade on an i386 based install of FC5 using
> FC6t3.
>
> Not good.
>
> It gets to the part where it figures out what to upgrade and bjorks with
> an exception on the package "system-config-mouse" claiming that it
> contains an unknown header of "basepath".
>
> The system has a bunch of packages from Core, Extras and Freshrpms.net.
> It had just been upgraded from FC4 within the last week or so with no
> problems. All the updates were current. I have not tested what happens if
> I remove that one package.
>
> --
> "Oh, Joel Miller, you've just found the marble in the oatmeal. You're a
> lucky, lucky, lucky little boy. 'Cause you know why? You get to drink
> from... the FIRE HOOOOOSE!"
> - The Stanley Spudoski guide to mailing list administration
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:38:59 +0530
> From: Rahul <sundaram at fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Re: FC5->FC6T3 (DVD) upgrade dies. Time to consider test4?
> (Was: Yum upgrade?)
> To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
> <fedora-devel-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <4510161B.5020800 at fedoraproject.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> alan wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Le Mar 19 septembre 2006 04:08, Mike Chambers a écrit :
>>>> And from
>>>> FC5 to rawhide is a supported upgrade and *is suppose* to work
>>>
>>> FCn to rawhide is always supposed to work, else there would be no way to
>>> get testers on rawhide in the first place (all the maintainers who let
>>> the
>>> devel version of their package bitrot should remember this)
>>>
>>> What's allways been officially non-supported is update from rawhide to
>>> anything else (which is a shame)
>>
>> Last night I tested the upgrade on an i386 based install of FC5 using
>> FC6t3.
>>
>> Not good.
>>
>> It gets to the part where it figures out what to upgrade and bjorks with
>> an exception on the package "system-config-mouse" claiming that it
>> contains an unknown header of "basepath".
>
> Thats strange because system-config-mouse was dropped before FC5 release.
>
> http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/#id2947593
>
>
>>
>> The system has a bunch of packages from Core, Extras and Freshrpms.net.
>> It had just been upgraded from FC4 within the last week or so with no
>> problems. All the updates were current. I have not tested what happens
>> if I remove that one package.
>
> Can you check that?
>
> Rahul
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:15:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: alan <alan at clueserver.org>
> Subject: Re: FC5->FC6T3 (DVD) upgrade dies. Time to consider test4?
> (Was: Yum upgrade?)
> To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
> <fedora-devel-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609190913320.21327 at blackbox.fnordora.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Rahul wrote:
>
>> alan wrote:
>>> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le Mar 19 septembre 2006 04:08, Mike Chambers a écrit :
>>>>> And from
>>>>> FC5 to rawhide is a supported upgrade and *is suppose* to work
>>>>
>>>> FCn to rawhide is always supposed to work, else there would be no way
>>>> to
>>>> get testers on rawhide in the first place (all the maintainers who let
>>>> the
>>>> devel version of their package bitrot should remember this)
>>>>
>>>> What's allways been officially non-supported is update from rawhide to
>>>> anything else (which is a shame)
>>>
>>> Last night I tested the upgrade on an i386 based install of FC5 using
>>> FC6t3.
>>>
>>> Not good.
>>>
>>> It gets to the part where it figures out what to upgrade and bjorks with
>>> an
>>> exception on the package "system-config-mouse" claiming that it contains
>>> an
>>> unknown header of "basepath".
>>
>> Thats strange because system-config-mouse was dropped before FC5 release.
>>
>> http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/#id2947593
>
> Probably left over from the upgrade from FC4 to FC5.
>
> This is going to bite anyone who upgrades FC4->FC5->FC6.
>
>>> The system has a bunch of packages from Core, Extras and Freshrpms.net.
>>> It
>>> had just been upgraded from FC4 within the last week or so with no
>>> problems. All the updates were current. I have not tested what happens
>>> if
>>> I remove that one package.
>>
>> Can you check that?
>
> I will tonight. (I stopped working on it at 4:30am this morning. At
> least the insomnia was useful for something...)
>
> --
> "Oh, Joel Miller, you've just found the marble in the oatmeal. You're a
> lucky, lucky, lucky little boy. 'Cause you know why? You get to drink
> from... the FIRE HOOOOOSE!"
> - The Stanley Spudoski guide to mailing list administration
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:14:44 -0600 (MDT)
> From: Kevin Fenzi <kevin-redhat-devel at scrye.com>
> Subject: Re: wake-up from suspend
> To: fedora-devel-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <20060919.101444.1039899570.kevin at scrye.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>>>>>> "John" == John DeDourek <dedourek at unb.ca> writes:
>
> John> Dan Horák wrote:
>>> I am seeing the same behaviour on Quanta ZW9, it has Intel chipset
>>> and Ati graphics. Dan
>>>
> John> It would be useful to know which "Ati graphics" chipset you
> John> have. /sbin/lspci will tell you what the OS is seeing as the
> John> graphics chip.
>
> John> We have two IBM/Lenova T42 laptops: one has ATI 7500, the other
> John> ATI 9600. The 7500 suspends to RAM and resumes nicely; the 9600
> John> suspends, but comes back with a blank screen, for both X and the
> John> console windows. The machines is otherwise "live" as witness
> John> that it is possible to do a CTRL-ALT F2 to gain a text console;
> John> login as root; and execute "shutdown -h". All, of course,
> John> without seeing what you are typing, so you need to use the
> John> keyboard very carefully.
>
> I have a T42p with a 9600 in it.
> It works great on suspend/resume, but you must add:
>
> acpi_sleep=s3_bios
>
> to your kernel boot line in grub.conf.
> If you don't do that you get a blank screen on resume.
> Perhaps you could try that?
>
> John> If anyone has some pointers to useful information gathering
> John> techniques for this problem, I would be interested.
>
> Try acpi_sleep=s3_bios.
>
> It's working great here.
>
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M10 NT [FireGL
> Mobility T2] (rev 80)
>
> Manufacturer: IBM
> Product Name: 2378RVU
> Version: ThinkPad T42p
>
> kevin
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:13:55 +0200
> From: Till Maas <opensource at till.name>
> Subject: Re: wake-up from suspend
> To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
> <fedora-devel-list at redhat.com>
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> On Tuesday 19 September 2006 18:14, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
>> I have a T42p with a 9600 in it.
>> It works great on suspend/resume, but you must add:
>>
>> acpi_sleep=s3_bios
>
> Or you can do this:
> "echo -n 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/acpi_video_flags"
>
> which has the same effect but you do not need to change your grub.conf or
> reboot.
> If you want this permanently you can set, which enables this after every
> reboot:
>
> "kernel.acpi_video_flags = 1" in /etc/sysctl.conf
>
> Regards,
> Till
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:31:20 -0400
> From: Louis Garcia <louisg00 at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: todays rawhide segfaults ipv6
> To: fedora-devel-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <1158690680.2667.2.camel at soncomputer>
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> ipv6 segfaults while booting and shutting down. As the kernel has not
> been updated this might be a userland problem.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:41:09 +0200
> From: Thorsten Leemhuis <fedora at leemhuis.info>
> Subject: Re: wake-up from suspend
> To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
> <fedora-devel-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <451039C5.3010601 at leemhuis.info>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15
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>
>
> Till Maas schrieb:
>> On Tuesday 19 September 2006 18:14, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>>
>>> I have a T42p with a 9600 in it.
>>> It works great on suspend/resume, but you must add:
>>> acpi_sleep=s3_bios
>> Or you can do this:
>> "echo -n 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/acpi_video_flags" [...]
>
> Or solve the problem once and for all for all users:
>
> http://en.opensuse.org/S2ram
> http://hughsient.livejournal.com/2591.html
>
> CU
> thl
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:49:47 +0200
> From: Dan Hor?k <dan at danny.cz>
> Subject: Re: wake-up from suspend
> To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
> <fedora-devel-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <1158691787.3496.16.camel at eagle.danny.cz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Till Maas pÃÅ¡e v Ãst 19. 09. 2006 v 20:13 +0200:
>> On Tuesday 19 September 2006 18:14, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>>
>> > I have a T42p with a 9600 in it.
>> > It works great on suspend/resume, but you must add:
>> >
>> > acpi_sleep=s3_bios
>>
>> Or you can do this:
>> "echo -n 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/acpi_video_flags"
>>
>> which has the same effect but you do not need to change your grub.conf or
>> reboot.
>> If you want this permanently you can set, which enables this after every
>> reboot:
>>
>> "kernel.acpi_video_flags = 1" in /etc/sysctl.conf
>
> Great, it helps me too.
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:48:54 +0100
> From: Richard Hughes <hughsient at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: wake-up from suspend
> To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
> <fedora-devel-list at redhat.com>
> Cc: David Zeuthen <david at fubar.dk>
> Message-ID: <1158691734.4254.7.camel at hughsie-laptop.localdomain>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 20:13 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
>> On Tuesday 19 September 2006 18:14, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>>
>> > I have a T42p with a 9600 in it.
>> > It works great on suspend/resume, but you must add:
>> >
>> > acpi_sleep=s3_bios
>>
>> Or you can do this:
>> "echo -n 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/acpi_video_flags"
>
> With a new version of pm-utils and my hal patch[1], all this would just
> work:
>
> <!-- T42p confirmed by Joe Shaw, T41p by Christoph Thiel (both 2373) -->
> <match key="smbios.system.product" contains="2371">
> <match key="smbios.system.version" string="ThinkPad X40">
> <append key="info.capabilities"
> type="strlist">video_adapter_pm</append>
> <merge key="video_adapter_pm.s3_bios" type="bool">true</merge>
> <merge key="video_adapter_pm.s3_mode" type="bool">true</merge>
> </match>
> </match>
>
> When FC6 is released, I hope we can start working on full pm-utils
> integration for suspend and resume.
>
> Richard.
>
> [1] http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/hal/2006-September/006094.html
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:05:04 -0400
> From: David Zeuthen <david at fubar.dk>
> Subject: Re: wake-up from suspend
> To: richard at hughsie.com
> Cc: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
> <fedora-devel-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <1158692704.10770.90.camel at daxter.boston.redhat.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 19:48 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
>> On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 20:13 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
>> > On Tuesday 19 September 2006 18:14, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>> >
>> > > I have a T42p with a 9600 in it.
>> > > It works great on suspend/resume, but you must add:
>> > >
>> > > acpi_sleep=s3_bios
>> >
>> > Or you can do this:
>> > "echo -n 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/acpi_video_flags"
>>
>> With a new version of pm-utils and my hal patch[1], all this would just
>> work:
>>
>> <!-- T42p confirmed by Joe Shaw, T41p by Christoph Thiel (both 2373) -->
>> <match key="smbios.system.product" contains="2371">
>> <match key="smbios.system.version" string="ThinkPad X40">
>> <append key="info.capabilities"
>> type="strlist">video_adapter_pm</append>
>> <merge key="video_adapter_pm.s3_bios" type="bool">true</merge>
>> <merge key="video_adapter_pm.s3_mode" type="bool">true</merge>
>> </match>
>> </match>
>>
>> When FC6 is released, I hope we can start working on full pm-utils
>> integration for suspend and resume.
>
> Right. I want this to be in HAL 0.5.9 scheduled for release in December
> 2006. There's a few things we need to fix (cause this is a bunch of
> data), for example the "HAL parses 10 million XML files" issue that
> davej so eloquently pointed out in his blog and at OLS :-)
>
> But that's more on topic for the HAL list.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:10:36 -0400
> From: Bill Nottingham <notting at redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: todays rawhide segfaults ipv6
> To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
> <fedora-devel-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <20060919191036.GC9215 at nostromo.devel.redhat.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Louis Garcia (louisg00 at bellsouth.net) said:
>> ipv6 segfaults while booting and shutting down. As the kernel has not
>> been updated this might be a userland problem.
>
> It is, will be fixed tomorrow.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:18:59 -0700
> From: "Ian Burrell" <ianburrell at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: FC5->FC6T3 (DVD) upgrade dies. Time to consider test4?
> (Was: Yum upgrade?)
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora Core"
> <fedora-devel-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID:
> <d91f09cd0609191218y6c982944nb72561d0dbe3bfe6 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> On 9/19/06, alan <alan at clueserver.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Rahul wrote:
>> >
>> > Thats strange because system-config-mouse was dropped before FC5
>> > release.
>> >
>> > http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/#id2947593
>>
>> Probably left over from the upgrade from FC4 to FC5.
>>
>> This is going to bite anyone who upgrades FC4->FC5->FC6.
>>
>
> Then you need to remove it first. One downside of the yum upgrade is
> that it does not remove obsolete packages. After I do a yum upgrade,
> I always do a "yum list extras" and remove the obsoleted packages.
> And it much safer to remove and reinstall packages from third-party
> repositories.
>
> - Ian
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:37:45 -0700
> From: "Ian Burrell" <ianburrell at gmail.com>
> Subject: development-source repository broken
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora Core"
> <fedora-devel-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID:
> <d91f09cd0609191237m22c22076s7bb7f5578c5785f0 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> The repodata for the development-source repository has gone missing.
> Where would I report the bug?
>
> This causes "yumdownload -e development-source --source" to fail.
> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/source/
> has no repodata directory.
>
> Also, the rawhide fedora-development.repo uses
> mirrorlist=http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=rawhide-source&arch=$basearch
> which responds with: "no repository available for repo rawhide-source".
>
> - Ian
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:40:03 +0200
> From: Till Maas <opensource at till.name>
> Subject: Re: wake-up from suspend
> To: richard at hughsie.com, Development discussions related to Fedora
> Core <fedora-devel-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <200609192140.11015.opensource at till.name>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Tuesday 19 September 2006 20:48, Richard Hughes wrote:
>
>> <!-- T42p confirmed by Joe Shaw, T41p by Christoph Thiel (both 2373) -->
> ^^^^ ^^^^
>> <match key="smbios.system.product" contains="2371">
> ^^^^
>> <match key="smbios.system.version" string="ThinkPad X40">
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Is the comment really for the commented data?
>
>> When FC6 is released, I hope we can start working on full pm-utils
>> integration for suspend and resume.
>
> What are the advantages of pm-utils against s2ram, s2disk and s2both? Will
> there be support for suspending to cryptsetup-luks encrypted swap? Or is
> this
> something another package must take care of?
>
> Regards,
> Till
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:10:41 +0100
> From: Richard Hughes <hughsient at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: wake-up from suspend
> To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
> <fedora-devel-list at redhat.com>
> Cc: richard at hughsie.com
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> On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 21:40 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
>> On Tuesday 19 September 2006 20:48, Richard Hughes wrote:
>>
>> > <!-- T42p confirmed by Joe Shaw, T41p by Christoph Thiel (both
>> > 2373) -->
>> ^^^^ ^^^^
>> > <match key="smbios.system.product" contains="2371">
>> ^^^^
>> > <match key="smbios.system.version" string="ThinkPad X40">
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Is the comment really for the commented data?
>
> Hmm. I see what you mean. I've just converted the data from the suspend
> project so there may be typos like this.
>
>> > When FC6 is released, I hope we can start working on full pm-utils
>> > integration for suspend and resume.
>>
>> What are the advantages of pm-utils against s2ram, s2disk and s2both?
>> Will
>> there be support for suspending to cryptsetup-luks encrypted swap? Or is
>> this
>> something another package must take care of?
>
> pm-utils is basically a way of doing "stuff" before and after a suspend
> or hibernate.
>
> See http://hughsient.livejournal.com/764.html for a description of what
> it does. I'm pretty sure the actual mechanism for suspending can
> switched, but I'm not sure about that.
>
> Richard.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:15:59 -0600
> From: Orion Poplawski <orion at cora.nwra.com>
> Subject: Re: cups daemon not starting with test3
> To: fedora-devel-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <eepq6v$vjj$1 at sea.gmane.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Louis Garcia wrote:
>>
>> My /etc/hosts file is:
>>
>> # Do not remove the following line, or various programs
>> # that require network functionality will fail.
>> ::1 soncomputer localhost.localdomain localhost
>>
>> shouldn't the localhost be 127.0.0.1 ?
>>
>
> Well, that's the ipv6 loopback, but there should be another nearly
> identical line with 127.0.0.1 as well.
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:00:47 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler at chello.at>
> Subject: Re: Anyone working on kdelibs4 snapshot packages for
> developers?
> To: fedora-devel-list at redhat.com
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> Rex Dieter <rdieter <at> math.unl.edu> writes:
>> I can help out. We can host these packages on
>> http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/
>> (in the "unstable" repo prolly)
>
> Thanks.
>
>> Don't have a distributed buildsystem yet (ie, haven't gotten plague
>> working
>> yet), so atm, I'll have to manually queue srpm's to mock.
>
> OK.
>
>> Other than that, my participation/help will most likely be minimal (for
>> awhile anyway), got a pretty full plate.
>
> Yeah, I know how that feels... I've got way too much stuff to do too, so I
> don't promise I'll get anywhere (also considering that the KDE builds I'll
> have
> to do to test my specfiles probably take hours on my slow computer).
>
> I must say I'm also worried about getting flooded with questions like
> this:
> http://dot.kde.org/1158239585/1158694433/
>
> Kevin Kofler
>
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