Enabling Compiz by default?

[Jon Nettleton]

On 8/9/07, Dave Airlie <airlied at redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 01:46 +0200, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
> > 2007/8/10, Dave Airlie <airlied at redhat.com>:
> > > On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 19:05 -0400, Bernardo Innocenti wrote:
> > > > On 08/09/2007 06:18 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Compiz is too buggy to use - its still hopelessly broken with java
> menus
> > > > > and you'd want to use one of the actually maintained compositing
> managers
> > > > > instead.
> > > >
> > > > Which ones?
> > > >
> > > > Ubuntu Gutsy will have Compiz fusion by default.  And they're fixing
> > > > bugs to reach this goal.  We could benefit from their work, or
> > > > reinvent the wheel by going a different route.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ubuntu aren't doing any work on fixing the technical problems with
> > > compiz, if they turn it on on gutsy it'll be on nvidia binary drivers
> > > only. Otherwise  things like 3D apps and movie playing will get
> > > seriously screwed..
> > >
> > > They are benefiting a lot more from the work Red Hat are doing than we
> > > will ever benefit from them.
> > >
> > > Dave.
> > >
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> >
> > Well personally i am all for pushing compiz fusion as fast as
> > possible. Actually i have todays git checkout running on rawhide and
> > it wfm.
> >
> > What would certainly help is a list of issues and a goalsetting what
> > really has to be achieved to be able to enable it as default without
> > having too much breakage.
> >
> > A working noveau driver that does aiglx fine and the r500 driver
> > imported into rawhide (and push it towards reliability with aiglx)
> > would for sure a neat first step in achieving the goal that it works
> > for most users out there.
> >
>
> The work krh and I have been doing on the X/DRI layers to enable 3D
> redirection and also the work I've been doing with cworth to make EXA
> fast are possible two of the major bodies of work required to get a
> composited desktop useable - note I didn't even say compiz, just to make
> any compositing manager work properly with 3D and screen resizing.


And thank you very much for the EXA work.  I think that is something that
has gotten passed up in the last year or so with all the Compiz/Beryl
hype.    EXA is my compositing saving grace on my KM400 with the openchrome
driver.

I am not sure why all this focus has been on 3d acceleration and glitz.  For
the longest time I have run xcompmgr on top of metacity ( Yes I know old an
hacky ).  I will tell you though, it didn't crash and my windows drew smooth
as silk on the screen.   Recently I decided to try to find something better
than xcompmgr and after reading threads and looking at code, realized that
XFCE's window manager xfwm4 does absolutely everything I want very nicely.
I have drop shadows, nice window transparency when I drag and resize, full
screen overlays work properly.

Why not look at a nice basic composited windows manager as default that
works pretty well on any driver that supports EXA ( I have now gotten this
running quite well on laptops with Sis, EXA, and VIA integrated chipsets).
Then offer the 3d option for beefier graphics chipsets.  I liked it so much
I am now running xfwm4 on my gaming desktop as well.

It would really take nothing more than a weekend to gnomify xfwm4 and make
it a very clean replacement for metacity.  Nice smooth clean modern looking
desktop without the need for accelerated opengl.

-Jon


tbh nouveau and r500 aren't really even on the radar as far as we are
> concerned yet, Intel is the only manufacturer to have given us enough
> info to actually fix the problems we are encountering, so Intel hw will
> get the stuff going first from our pov.. I think we might do radeon
> second as I should have enough info to get a decent system going, but
> r500 doesn't even have dri yet so getting aiglx is a bit of a big step..
> and nouveau hasn't gotten texturing yet so same issue.
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