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Re: Kernel Modules in Fedora -x

Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
* Les Mikesell [07/08/2007 16:45] :
Interfaces broken by mid-version updates are just as broken in fedora as they would be in RHEL and it's not any more a straw man for one distribution than another unless you are willing to say that one is only suitable for testing.

This implies (to varying degrees) several things :

- The two distributions target the same audience.
- The two distributions claim equivalent support of API/ABI stability.
- API/ABI changes are broken for the sheer heck of it.
- Updates have no features other than changes in API/ABI.

These implications range from "not true" to "false". Put together, they
make a poor representation of the reasons why Fedora sticks to upstream
whereas RHEL promises API/ABI stability which is why I call this a straw

What I'm looking for from this discussion is a definition of the target audience for fedora. Nobody expects perfection, but is there really an audience that doesn't care if their devices stop working or not?

If you want to say the changes are a good thing, then lets see them in RHEL too.

Ad hominem tu quoque.
FWIW, its stagnation is one of the reasons I do not use RHEL (or clone

Agreed at the application level, but not for the kernel. I have yet to see a mid-version kernel change that mattered to me in any situation where the machine was working to begin with. Enhancing hotplug support is nice but that's the sort of change that could be made at major version releases which come around fast enough anyway in fedora.

But, if you want to put that aside for the moment, firewire will make a great example. Do you forsee a time when you would keep your own backups or valuable data on a firewire drive under fedora?

Not having any firewire materiel, I can't answer the question.
What exactly is the problem with firewire support in Fedora ?

There have been large chunks of time that it hasn't worked or disks wouldn't be recognized even if it saw a raw IEEE device. I gave up and switched the machines that needed it to Centos with the centosplus kernel so I don't know the current state except that I've seen comments about a complete rewrite coming so it must still leave something to be desired (and even on Centos I don't trust it beyond connecting temporarily for backup copies). Anyway it's a good device to talk about in any discussion of included vs. vendor-supplied drivers or user expectations vs. experience in general.

  Les Mikesell
   lesmikesell gmail com

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