Fedora 7

[Rahul Sundaram]

David Zeuthen wrote:
>> Fedora-desktop list is not getting much traffic.
> 
> True, it's mostly people who ask support questions / asking for 
> misguided features. Sadly.

Calling it fedora-desktop-devel list might have avoided that problem to 
some extent.

> Not entirely true; Rahul, you have access to that list and not a lot of 
> _Fedora_ planning is going on so stop spreading misinformation. It's 
> mainly used for RHEL stuff. It's true that we have some mails sometimes 
> discussing early features for Fedora and, sure, in some instances we 
> still need to move the last 5% to the external list. Wrt to IRC we also 
> have many discussions externally on #fedora-desktop.

I dont really have access to all of the internal lists. I could update 
the external wiki pages with the information in some of the lists that I 
do have access to but that would risk putting out confidential stuff. 
Who knows about these fedora-desktop irc discussions apart from the 
desktop team itself? Would you consider moving it from Gimpnet to 
Freenode along with the rest of the channels? When any considerable 
discussions happen on irc, it needs to be posted on the Fedora wiki page 
(preferably with meeting mins) for folks to look back. If noone within 
the team has time for this, send me the logs and I will do it.

  You also need to
> realize that we have hallway conversations, that's unavoidable but 
> sometimes high-bandwidth communications are needed.

I think we still need to find a way to make the essential parts of those 
conversations more public. Fedora Project Board has regular meetings on 
phone but we do post meetings mins on the wiki and we have real time 
updates on #fedora-board irc channel these days.

> For example, I did post the f-u-s proposal; it didn't receive much 
> feedback at all. My take is that the Fedora community largely isn't very 
> interested in the desktop (I would loved to be proved wrong, don't take 
> this in a non-constructive way); in that way we're succesful, for 
> example an avid Fedora user is Richard Hughes and I deal a lot with him 
> on upstream lists discussing features in hal and g-p-m.

I think that's because not many people know about fedora-desktop list. 
Would you think merging it with fedora-devel list would be a good thing?

> The desktop team is understaffed, we spend a lot of time in bugzilla and 
> doing packaging rather than development. I think you don't realize this 
> and this is bad as you should know such things being an RH employee. And 
> this is bad.

Ahem. I think you are forgetting our earlier irc conversations. You cant 
reasonably expect me to keep track of all the development work happening 
more than I do so now. I bet I know more about it than maybe less than 
half a dozen people in India. Telling me that I am somehow spreading FUD 
might shut me up but is not going to help solve the problem that some of 
the development is not as transparent as it could be.

Rahul