The community has lost control... (Was: Re: Don't put new packages through updates-testing)

Patrice Dumas pertusus at
Sun Jun 3 09:32:40 UTC 2007

On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 10:58:20AM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> missing a some before packagers there


> Extras was good at specifying packaging policy & had good build tools to
> enforce it → koji is heavily inspired by the Extras buildsys

But it is improved, isn't it?

> Core was good at release engineering, and Extras never managed to create
> anything approaching → release engineering tools and processes mostly
> follow Core rules

Maybe there is room for improvement in core rules now that there are
other packagers involved.

> > However I think that instead of asking to a
> > rel-eng to tag the build to enter the freeze, it should be up to the
> > packager, with a possibility for rel-engs to deny it.
> I suspect you've never tried to herd cats. Making this the rule instead
> of the exception like now wouldn't work because of human nature, there's
> always people who think they know better and would waste rel-eng time
> just when it's needed elsewhere.

Of course, but the right way to handle that is not by coming in the way
of those who really know better, but by educating those who think they
know better.


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