Announcing Fedora 7 Test 4 (6.93)

Florian La Roche laroche at
Wed May 2 10:13:21 UTC 2007

On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 03:44:03AM +0000, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Jesse Keating <jkeating <at>> writes:
> > KDE is a part of Fedora, however the overwhelming evidence is that Fedora 
> > focuses on Gnome and GTK stacks.  Almost all the Fedora upstream software 
> > that is graphical is built on gnome/gtk.  It is the most integrated 
> > experience you can get.  Using KDE is a less integrated less polished 
> > experience, and thus it is not our best foot forward.
> It's because of statements like this that Fedora has a bad reputation with the 
> KDE community (just look at some of the comments at I'm doing my 
> best to improve Fedora's reputation there, but statements like this from 
> official people like you as the Release Engineer really ruin things.
> How is KDE on Fedora less integrated? Why do you think people like Than Ngo, 
> Rex Dieter, Sebastian Vahl or me work our behinds off to fix things like this:
> which is now finally fixed (thanks also to a developer from Pardus who made a 
> one-line fix to my patch to get it to work instead of crashing)? (In fact, we 
> have to specifically fix what your GNOME developers break, but that's another 
> issue.)
> We're really doing what we can to provide a well-integrated KDE desktop to 
> Fedora users, I think it's unfair to us to call this "a less integrated less 
> polished experience" and "not our best foot forward", and I also think it's 
> Fedora's reputation you're ruining there (again, look at some of the comments 
> at, I'd be surprised if nobody is going to quote your above 
> paragraph the next time Fedora is mentioned anywhere), not just KDE's and ours.

Hello Kevin,

as distributors we are responsible for integrating software and making sure
the overall setup stays modular and supports as many as possible setups.

Just look at the gnome live-cd which e.g. uses again smaller office apps and
not only openoffice. So we do support more than one version of things and
have always done so in the past. This is different from then selecting a
"good enough subset" of Open Source apps we include at all.
Also we ship sendmail/postfix/exim with sendmail as default and all of them
receiving bug-fixes, updates and full integration.

KDE is requested and used by lots of Fedora users and also by RHEL customers
and partners, so there is no question about KDE support at Red Hat. That's
for KDE itself as well as other components of the OS.

I think the gnome/KDE split introduced in F7 is pretty unfortunate as it
opens up the gnome/KDE discussion again, instead of supporting the integration
and bug-fixing part. Fedora needs to be an open platform where Open Source
projects get reviewed, tested, integrated and moved along.


Florian La Roche

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