random thoughts on software installation

Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net
Thu May 17 19:03:23 UTC 2007

Le jeudi 17 mai 2007 à 14:43 -0400, Jeremy Katz a écrit :
> On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 14:37 -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
> > On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 14:34 -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote:
> > > This is a fundamentally broken assumption.  Multiple packages are
> > > required because packages can and do depend on other packages.  Even
> > > things like python-paramiko, etc.
> > 
> > Sure, I guess I didn't mean transaction in the techncial sense but more
> > like how it's exposed in the interface; i.e. that you don't need to take
> > the current approach that pirut does where you click on a bunch of
> > things and then have an "apply" step and a confirm step, or yum's
> > install confirmation.  Could just start downloading and installing on
> > the first click.
> And then people complain you didn't tell them what was going to be
> pulled in or why did this that or the other get installed or why did
> something get _removed_ due to an obsoletes.
> And the people who complain the most about this stuff are the exact
> people you're trying to target with this interface (developers and
> sysadmins).

+10 no more of this "it's hard/not-windowsish so let's not do/expose it"
madness. We don't need an "easy" broken-by-design model and we don't
have to be ashamed of how our tools work (compared to the competition)

Users won't complain long if the stuff works. Making sure our model
works is where efforts should focus.

Nicolas Mailhot
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