can fedora has the animation grub like suse?

David Zeuthen david at
Thu May 24 17:30:40 UTC 2007

On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 16:23 -0400, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 01:43:08PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote:
> > Right. It's painful enough already having to walk some users through
> > "remove 'quiet' from your boot command line" when diagnosing "my computer won't boot"
> > bugs. Some users have absolutely no idea what this means, and making it
> > even more hidden is going to raise that barrier further.
> I've had private mail pointing out that 1-2 seconds is not sufficient either.
> If you are a disabled user relying upon the text mode support in grub
> and a screen reader that is not long enough for the message to be read
> and a response.
> Perhaps someone with accessibility tools in Red Hat can test the needed timeout

Maybe it's controversial, but I've been advocating that for most
scenarios it doesn't make sense to have an accessible boot loader;
that's why the Fedora 7 Desktop Live CD boot into gdm; from here the
user can enable AT's (e.g. ctrl+S for one sec to start the screen
reader), select language and so on. For Fedora 8, we're talking about
having keyboard selection there as well. 

So from an a11y point of view, ideally there should be no need
whatsoever to even show the boot loader. I can't think why you would
ever want to show it for other reasons except a lot of current
enthusiasts who like to boot from different kernels (and if the OS fails
to boot, the boot loader can be smart about things; e.g. if the OS
didn't leave a cookie in /boot it can display the menu etc. etc. The
boot loader can also check whether you're holding down the 'b' key or

Guess ya'll can start flaming me now for saying the boot loader menu
shouldn't be shown be default cuz I know, gosh, it's controversial :-)


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