shiny desktop, anyone?

dragoran drago01 at
Tue May 29 06:52:13 UTC 2007

David Nielsen wrote:
> tir, 29 05 2007 kl. 01:40 -0400, skrev Kelly:
>> On Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:07 am Hikaru Amano wrote:
>>> how bout adding a menu in firstboot (or something similar during first
>>> login of a user)..  asking the user whether to enable compiz/beryl or
>>> not ...
>>> and if enabling fails -> display "You are using <cardname>, and it
>>> seems like the opensource driver does not support 3D with this card.
>>> Please install the proper driver from your vendor and try again
>>> later." - click ok to continue to next screen .. :D
its easy to detect if the card supports compiz or not (query fro 
GLX_tfp) and enable it if the user has not disabled/enabled it himself.
>> The problem with such a maneuver (as I bet the Mandriva users are finding out, 
>> and the Vista users can testify to) is that there is no really effective way 
>> to predict how well the system would perform with Compiz/Beryl on or off; 
>> cards that seem fine may actually give horrible results in reality (like my 
>> ATI Radeon 9200, which can run Beryl but does so horribly slowly; but a 
>> detect would come up positive because the OSS driver can handle Beryl).
> For the record my ATI Radeon 9200 runs the shipped version of Compiz at
> a perfectly acceptable speed using nothing but what is shipped in F7.
> Though lately the decorations has tended to disappear (#228644) but
> generally it works nicely and runs at an acceptable speed even on old
> hardware like this.
the decoration bug is fixed in upstream compiz.
> I'm not convinced Compiz is the key to winning users, sure it's
> compelling at first glance but scrolling in your web browser is
> painfully slow and it can't handle accelerated video playback so
> fullscreen videos turn into a grainy slideshow.
I don't have any of this problems but I am using the nvidia drivers. the 
oss intel driver should also not have the video problem (uses textured 
video). also compiz supports composited video which would make 
videoplayback much faster but it needs to be supported by the players 
(there are patches for mplayer).
>  I think there are
> serious problems still to be worked out before this can be relied on
> even on hardware we have good drivers for so please don't make the
> argument that all we need is to enable such technology to compel users
> to try Fedora.. they help but they certainly also currently hurt.
> [...]What does Compiz do that
> enhances the experience, for me generally it makes the desktop a bit
> more fun but when push comes to shove the scale plugin is what I use the
> most. I think we need to make Compiz do more useful stuff in addition to
> the incredible cracktastic funfilled bling it does currently.
compiz will be able to do alot more things when input redirection is 
finished in xorg.

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