Dropping Base X group? [Was: Re: KDE logout options with F8]

[Matej Cepl]

On 2007-10-31, 18:49 GMT, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> I have suggested at least 2 technical solutions, none of which 
> needs any changes to Anaconda:

May add one more possible solution: what about dropping Base 
X group from anaconda altogether and why not to treat it as 
a library, which is required by another components (do we have 
a group for glibc)?

By reading the most of the previous messages (and there was a lot 
of them), it seems to me that actually nobody wants „Base X“ 
group for its own sake. Either there are people who want „Plain 
old X as seen in Project Athena many years ago“ (BTW, Project 
Athena @ MIT switched to Gnome as default) or some lightweight 
window manager (which one?). IMHO, the answer to the first 
request is that whoever wants it is such a weirdo, that he should 
be required to install appropriate packages just via yum (maybe 
with package xorg-x11-plain-old-environment or something) and 
doesn't deserve a place in anaconda.

The other group is much more interesting. I really don't like 
a tendency of Fedora moving with its system requirements 
somewhere close to the one of Windows Vista (yes, we would have 
to fix anaconda first, but that's another issue, let's keep this 
X specific). It would be nice if people who are interested in 
this created some group of packages (with their own desktop 
manager? -- is there anything else than [gkx]dm?) so that we 
could fourth environment (even though this would be probably very 
virtual not consisting from packages originally intended to be 
part of one environment) besides Gnome, KDE, and XFCE. Are there 
any friends of WindowMaker around here (that would be nice for 
higher degree of compatibility with Mac OS X)? Or IceWM?

On xdm theme -- if anybody is interested in this; well, 
xorg-x11-xdm src.rpm is 400k -- it shouldn't be unfathomable for 
interested geek to fix it and maintain it (and I would be glad to 
meet you, because xdm bugs in bugzilla are always for me, desktop 
team bugmaster, kind of nightmare).

What do you think?

Matěj