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Re: better install experience

On 10/10/2007, Tom spot Callaway <tcallawa redhat com> wrote:

On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 22:08 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> On 10.10.2007 21:53, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
> > On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 15:53 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote:
> >> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
> >>>> If we want to improve the user experience, it would be great if anaconda
> >>>> offered to do the resize.  Even for an experienced user, who wants to d/l +
> >>>> burn >1 cd/dvd?
> >>> Anaconda doesn't have any ntfs support yet. We're looking at that for
> >>> F9.
> >>> The F-8 live-cd might have the ntfsutils, but I don't know.
> >> Wasn't NTFS a patent issue? Though I do not see it anymore on
> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems
> > Short answer: No.
> > Long answer: If something (anything) in Fedora infringes a patent that
> > you hold, please let me know the specifics (which patent, which
> > software, etc), and we will address it.
> Is there a middle-sized answer maybe that might explain why
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=65749
> still wasn't fixed? The bug is about this fact:
> $ grep NTFS /boot/config-2.6.23-0.217.rc9.git1.fc8
> # CONFIG_NTFS_FS is not set
> Sure, ntfs-3g is around -- but some people still prefer the in-kernel
> driver and it still gets downloaded from a well know 3rd party repo as
> kmod a lot.

I asked DaveJ not to enable the ntfs kmod.

I'd prefer it if it was enabled.

1. It doesn't work as well as ntfs-3g.

This is debatable. It doesn't have full write support (has some albeit limited) but that doesn't mean it doesn't work well. If you have a partition that you only need read access for it actually works better (qv. faster) than ntfs-3g.

1A. It doesn't have RW support.

You can do some. http://linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=status

2. It is unmaintained upstream.

Not true. Anton is implementing a full read/write driver for OS X and under the terms of his contract he cannot release the code until something like a year after completion.


3. mount.ntfs points to ntfs-3g in Fedora. So, even if someone gets the
ntfs.ko in place, they're still probably using ntfs-3g.

I think that is wrong and a little short-sighted. It really should be mount.ntfs-3g - the kernel driver was implemented first - it is still under development and may well be released around the time of F9+1. Speed issues alone will support the use of kernel filesystems over userspace ones and this will simply prompt a return to this debate. Please can this be changed.


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