My 2 cents on the whole Fedora to succeed as global wide deployed desktop are...

Martin Sourada martin.sourada at
Mon Sep 3 15:12:23 UTC 2007

On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 16:55 +0200, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Martin Sourada wrote:
> >>
> > If we ask him do-you-want-to-turn-cups-hal-hcid-services-on kind of
> > question then yes. If we ask him do you have notebook, desktop or
> > server, than it is right to ask him.
> Whether a system is a laptop or not can be detected by the installer. 
> Desktop/Server usages can be quite fuzzy and you can't really determine 
> which services to run based on such simplistic questions.
Well, on desktop you usually don't need any server services (http
server, ftp server, ssh server,...) on server you usually don't need any
desktop services (bluetooth, ConsoleKit, to name some) and some of the
notebook services. Also there are cases where you combine e.g. laptop
with server (like in my case, having mostly laptop services, but vsftpd
and postfix in addition), but these users know, how to enable services
by themselves.

>   And having these three different
> > platforms means different needed services. Which precisely are these
> > need not to be known by the person who is questioned. But there are also
> > services we cannot know if user will need it or not, but still has such
> > names, that user cannot guess for what they are. Cups is one example.
> > Many users do not want this by default (they don't have a printer
> > connected to their PC), but others do, even if they are just ordinary
> > users, knowing nothing about services. If we ask them, do you want to
> > turn printer support on, he will know the answer. That is my point, I
> > hope it is clear enough.
> Cups and many other services can just be started on demand. Look up Dbus 
> system activation.
Then it is sufficient to enable cups automatically, when user adds first
printer. But still the defaults remain and I have many running services
in default install, I'll clearly have no use for. If the difference
between notebook/desktop/server is one or two service, than it is not
much, if the difference is bigger you will have significantly longer
boot time, only because having services you clearly don't need.


> Rahul
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