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Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora

On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 06:45 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Bradley Baetz wrote:
> > A lot of them were zero-day 'new package didn't make the freeze so chuck
> > it in ASAP' updates. Again, you can argue that new packages don't break
> > anything, but it comes back to the 'what is fedora's goal' discussion
> > that happens whenever this discussion happens....
> But why do you want to ban something which doesn't hurt?

 I agree with this, much like new drivers in the kernel I think you have
to decide that new packages are different from real updates.

> What will happen with your proposed ban is that many users will
> use --enablerepo=rawhide to get the packages they need and break their
> systems that way (one should NEVER use --enablerepo=rawhide except to
> upgrade the ENTIRE system to Rawhide (yum --enablerepo=rawhide upgrade),
> and that carries the usual Rawhide risks). It is not possible to just
> install an arbitrary package from Rawhide because that will in many cases
> depend on other packages from Rawhide (right now it's Python 2.6, sometimes
> it's a new OpenSSL, OpenLDAP or whatever core library), and upgrading those
> in turn also forces the upgrade of everything else depending on those (e.g.
> if the upgrade drags in Python 2.6, it will also drag in all the other
> Python stuff including yum!).

 That's not true, I've used that all the time (I was testing the new PK
versions on Fedora 9 for months using that method) ... although
obviously when a glibc/python/whatever update happens and yum wants to
bring in 666 other packages, you want to say no at the prompt.

James Antill <james fedoraproject org>

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