Anaconda needs new locale thinking. (was Re: How important are ISO standards to Fedora?)

[Stephanos Manos]

Pekka Pietikainen wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 01:53:20PM -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Rodd Clarkson <rodd at clarkson.id.au> wrote:
>>>  I may use English US on my computer, but I measure using metric, and
>>>  format my dates DD-MM-YYYY and my printer uses A4.  Anaconda doesn't get
>>>  any of the latter right, and that's just plain wrong.
>> Here's a better question. Why are you using US English? Why aren't you
>> using another English locale?
> Brits spell some words in a funny way (I wonder if anyone bothers 
> "translating" US vs. brit spelling in software tho) ;) 
> 
> That said, anaconda asks what _language_ you want to install in.
> (LC_MESSAGES) You choose "English" and 
> 
> English en      latarcyrheb-sun16       en_US.UTF-8     us America/New_York
> 
> all are forced on you. The keymap and timezone you can change within anaconda,
> the locale you can't, that goes into /etc/sysconfig/i18n. 
> 
> A possiblity would be to add some heuristics to do en_GB.UTF-8 if you choose
> Europe/London as the timezone, en_IE.UTF-8 if you choose Europe/Dublin etc.
> Some extra code in anaconda, probably a better end-user experience too. 
> 
> You could also do a /etc/sysconfig/i18n and ~/.i18n gui editor thing and run
> that post-install, one that lets you choose from the various locales for the
> various options and also show how how dates etc. would get shown with
> different settings. Maybe using the timezone as a "hint".
> 
This does not work for me any more after upgrading to F8 (in F7 and 
prior it was working). Also it does not work on rawhide.
Is it a known issue or should i bz it and if yes under what component?

Stephanos

> One problem is also that there's no "International English" locale in glibc.
> It would be better than en_US as the default (except for americans).
> 
>> I strongly believe that exposing locale customizations to the extent
>> necessary to make you happy in anaconda is a really dumb idea.  This
>> sort of stuff is a PER USER configuration which is too complicated for
>> the installer to need to mess with.
>>
>> We set a sane default in the installer based on the locale, and then
>> the installer gets the hell out of the way.  if you want to make PER
>> USER customizations, then figure out a way to expose PER USER
>> customizations for the different locale based settings.
>>
>> -jef
>>
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