et tu, wvdial Re: RFE: Remove isdn4k-utils from base installs

[Richard Hally]

Anders Karlsson wrote:
> * Richard Hally <rhally at mindspring.com> [20080225 08:22]:
>> Lamont Peterson wrote:
>>> On Friday 22 February 2008 01:50:14 pm Callum Lerwick wrote:
> [snip]
>>> Alright, look.  I don't know how to say this any plainer.  I *am not* 
>>> asking to have ISDN support removed.  I am asking to not have it in the 
>>> base, minimal, installs.  When I think of a minimal install, 1GB of stuff 
>>> that includes dozens of packages like ISDN is not what I'm thinking about.
>>>
>>> I don't have any servers in data centers that need ISDN support.  If I 
>>> ever do, I know how to install the package.  If someone doesn't, they can 
>>> find it in the dial-up support and install that.
>>>
>>> How many servers do you have that need dial-up?  Would anyone in Europe 
>>> care to comment on this question?  Do you have any servers that need 
>>> dial-up support installed as part of a minimal install?
>>>
>> Alright, look again. Imagine the oldest smallest desktop or laptop box that 
>> Fedora is intended to support. Does it have dialup on it? Is it used by 
>> someone that only has dialup access to the internet? What if their access 
>> is ISDN only?
> 
> Would they install over said ISDN?
> 
> If no, they are probably installing from optical media somehow and
> adding the isdn tools or ticking the dialup group should be a trivial
> exercise, and if you forget it, mounting the CD's or DVD to grab it
> isn't hard.
> 
> If yes, I'd expect the installer to add ISDN support into the
> resulting install as that is a relatively small extra download,
> especially if you're pulling down 800-1100 MB of packages already over
> your slow ISDN/dial-up link.
> 
> A minimal installation is supposed to be... minimal. I'd expect it to
> not carry anything that is not absolutely essential to have a system
> that boot. The point of a minimal install is that you *add* to it to
> get what you want. Not that people have to *remove* stuff that is not
> going to be used.
> 
> Well, you get my point.
> 
> /Anders
> 
Ah, your looking for a minimal install (not just without isdn/dialup). See the 
archives. We have had this discussion several times over the years in since FC1.

good luck,
Richard