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Re: long term support release

Adam Tkac wrote:

Please stop confusing people that F8 is unstable. If you have proof
that some software in F8 is badly broken and is alpha version and
stable release of that software is far more stable tell that sample
here. We will tell to maintainer that this should never happen again.
But blame something "because it is alpha" and only because alpha is very

Perhaps you missed the "long term" in the subject of this discussion... Even if today's version of F8 worked perfectly (which it probably doesn't, considering the complaints about audio on the list and the changes happening in firewire support) there is nothing long-term about it. One of the definitions of stable is 'unchanging' and no version of fedora has ever been stable in that respect. The other has to to with interface stability and not crashing - and fedora does not have a good history with these either. While most people probably care most about the latter type of stability here are reasons (like experience...) to expect the two concepts to be related and to expect new code to introduce new bugs.

But, there are also two concepts relating to support, and I'm not quite sure which this thread is about. One is a stream of updates fixing the bugs in the code initially shipped - these are particularly important where security problems exist and have been made public. In fact it is unreasonable to even consider running a distribution past the time when you can get security updates on a machine exposed to the internet. Currently for enterprise versions with long term support, these updates introduce as little change as possible to avoid new bugs and unexpected behavior. However, that doesn't fit fedora's model of staying close to the upstream development work, so a fedora-style LTS might consist of building current-version replacements for anything that needs fixing and not involve a great deal of extra backporting effort. The other 'support' concept has to do with handholding and helping with individual user problems, which is what people really expect when they pay for free software. Which are we talking about here?

  Les Mikesell
   lesmikesell gmail com

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