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Re: An interesting read when discussing what to do about our bugs...

> On Jan 20, 2008 10:36 PM, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203 freenet de> wrote:
>> A reporter should never be supposed to talk upstream, because he is
>> reporting an issue a problem with the product (your package) you are
>> supposed to be responsible for, not against the product an upstream
>> ships to you (the source tarball).
> I think you are wrong. Dead wrong.
> it does absolutely no good for me to attempt to act as a proxy for
> hardware breakage that I can't re-confirm with my own hardware.  At
> some point the person experiencing the hardware problem has to be able
> to talk directly with a developer who is in a position to confirm and
> fix.  Whether that means driving upstream developers to the fedora
> bugreport or driving users to upstream developers.... it doesn't
> matter. I refuse..REFUSE... to stop asking users with hardware
> specific breakage to be proactive and tap into the upstream resource
> when I can't confirm the problem.
> If there is a feature request that needs discussion, then why exactly
> should I as a maintainer be the one to champion it? If it's something
> i've no personal interest in it, nor have a personal need for it, then
> I'm certainly not in a position to argue for it.  The stake holders
> for those sort of discussions are in the upstream development
> communication channels... that's where feature roadmapping
> happens...and that's where features have to be discussed and
> integrated.  I'm not going to stand in proxy for someone else's ideas
> that do not resonate with me.  Nor am I going to drop a request on the
> floor at the fedora package level, because I personally unmoved by a
> particular feature request.  I'm not such an egotistical bastard that
> I'm going to assume that just because I'm not interested in the
> feature as the Fedora package maintainer that the upstream developers
> aren't.
>> What prevents you from simply telling the truth?
> I do tell the truth...sometimes upstream communication is a useful
> thing...and continuing to rely on me as the Fedora package maintainer
> to do all of it, is in fact a sub-optimal way of making sure things
> get done.  I suck and I'll proudly and forthrightly tell people that.
> -jef

I have to agree with jef.  More communication is generally better.  Some
upstream devs are wonderful at troubleshooting bugs, and really make
maintaining the package easier.  Why not use all the resources available?

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