F8 kernel-2.6.24.3-12.fc8

[Gary Thomas]

Andrew Farris wrote:
> Anders Karlsson wrote:
>> * Andrew Farris <lordmorgul at gmail.com> [20080310 12:18]:
>> [snip]
>>> Again.. as has been stated previously by people with authority around 
>>> here (which I am not)... testers did not provide proper feedback on 
>>> this kernel, via the tooling in place for it [1].  Proper QA is not 
>>> the responsibility of someone else.  It is the responsibility of the 
>>> community.  People's lack of participation in how the system works 
>>> are their own failure in this case.
>>
>> So the Fedora process is;
>> "If *we* break it, it's *your* fault because *you* did not test it" ?
>>
>> I stand by my earlier comment that this shows little but contempt for
>> the userbase.
>>
>>> Fedora devs have *countless* times proven they care what the users 
>>> think about this type of situation, but users who only share what 
>>> they think after shit breaks are useless to everyone.
>>
>> Oh, I'm sorry. I thought that the idea was to have a three-tier system
>> with stable, testing and unstable repos (to borrow terms from Debian),
>> where the idea is to run stable if you intend on doing something
>> productive, testing if you participate in QA and unstable if you like
>> living on the edge.
> 
> That is in inaccurate picture which probably has alot to do with your 
> frustration over this.  Debian's unstable and testing are completely 
> separate repos not intended to get flowed together at a regular 
> timeframe.  Fedoras are meant to be very temporary, for testing.  
> Updates-testing is a place where things desperately need testing 
> interaction so they can be pushed because they are only there because 
> they fix known bugs... not because its new stuff that happens to be 
> unstable and is not getting dropped into the primary repo.

If this is the expectation, why not enable updates-testing by default
or at least encourage users to use it more?  I for one have never
had it enabled (I do lots of rawhide testing though) as I was not aware
of its nature or need.

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