On Wednesday 26 March 2008 08:39:15 pm Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: J'> You may treat this as some kind of spam, esp. on -devel-list, but see, J'> how long Fedora 8 takes to start (with and without RHGB): This is nothing new. Fedora 9 will have upstart: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Upstart so what is your point? Stefan