Xorg 1.5 missed the train?

[George Billios]

-------- Original Message  --------
Subject: Xorg 1.5 missed the train?
From: Jeff Spaleta <jspaleta at gmail.com>
To: Development discussions related to Fedora <fedora-devel-list at redhat.com>
Date: Sat 10 May 2008 11:17:37 PM EEST

> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 11:32 AM, George Billios <gbillios at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> It seems that Xorg 1.5 will not be part of F9 - how could it since it is not
>> even released yet.
>>
>> This raises the (theoretical - fedora 9 will ship either way) question,
>> should fedora ship with an development version of Xorg ?
> 
> I think you mean Xorg 7.4... which xorg-server 1.5 will be one component of.

So you mean that you can ship one without the other ? ;|

> This is a non-issue. We've released pre-release components before for
> other important components.  And we will continue doing it as long as
> their is trust that the maintainers on the components are working
> closely and actively with upstream with regard to patching the bugs.
> Did you happen to have a specific upstream Xorg release 7.4 blocker
> bug in mind that you are particularly concerned about?

> Somehow I doubt its important for us to slip a major component like
> xorg-server over something like an alpha architecture compiling bug
> which isn't relevant to Fedora's ability to ship a usable xorg-server
> to our users...at all.   And you have to also concede that Xorg bugs
> dating to up to a year prior to the release of X11R7.3 probably aren't
> going to be hard blockers on X11R7.4 either. Even upstream realizes
> that you can't fix all the bugs before you make a release.
> 
>> Now its too late to change anything but I would appreciate some input here
>> because it's a big deal to ship with a development version of one of the
>> most important components.
> 
> it's less of a big deal than you make it out to be. We've done this
> before with 'major' componetns.... we'll do it again.  You have to
> accept the fact we are never going to be able to ship 100% bug-free
> code on release day.. no matter how much we slip any particular
> release deadline.  Bugs will exist, and decisions have to be made
> concern the severity and impact of those bugs individually.  All bugs
> are not made equal.  It's the same process upstream projects go
> through. And it may very well be that the important bugs blocking an
> upstream release are out of scope for a Fedora release specifically.
> if you are not watching the upstream process closely then you are not
> in a position to make an informed judgment.
> 
> We put a significant amount of integration testing into the new the
> xorg components as they haven been coming along, and if the maintainer
> in question felt things were not in good shape in terms where upstream
> was at we would have regressed by now.
> 


I'm not reffering to any bug in particular but to the whole 'trying to 
release Xorg 7.4 based on F9 release schedule' concept that happened here.


True, I don't know and monitor every bug that has been reported in 
fedora bugzilla or upstream but taking into account that Xorg 7.4 
doesn't even have a RC and that 2 months ago everything was supposed to 
be going as scheduled, I had to ask. Besides searching the mail list I 
found zero issues about this in the last 2 months!


> 
> -jef"wonders when you'll notice how far away from current upstream
> 'release' our F9 gdm is"spaleta
> 

Don't let me start on gdm....