Xorg 1.5 missed the train?

Mark Bidewell mark.bidewell at alumni.clemson.edu
Sat May 10 20:54:02 UTC 2008


On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Jeff Spaleta <jspaleta at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 11:32 AM, George Billios <gbillios at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > It seems that Xorg 1.5 will not be part of F9 - how could it since it is
> not
> > even released yet.
> >
> > This raises the (theoretical - fedora 9 will ship either way) question,
> > should fedora ship with an development version of Xorg ?
>
> I think you mean Xorg 7.4... which xorg-server 1.5 will be one component
> of.
>
> This is a non-issue. We've released pre-release components before for
> other important components.  And we will continue doing it as long as
> their is trust that the maintainers on the components are working
> closely and actively with upstream with regard to patching the bugs.
> Did you happen to have a specific upstream Xorg release 7.4 blocker
> bug in mind that you are particularly concerned about?
>
> Somehow I doubt its important for us to slip a major component like
> xorg-server over something like an alpha architecture compiling bug
> which isn't relevant to Fedora's ability to ship a usable xorg-server
> to our users...at all.   And you have to also concede that Xorg bugs
> dating to up to a year prior to the release of X11R7.3 probably aren't
> going to be hard blockers on X11R7.4 either. Even upstream realizes
> that you can't fix all the bugs before you make a release.
>
> > Now its too late to change anything but I would appreciate some input
> here
> > because it's a big deal to ship with a development version of one of the
> > most important components.
>
> it's less of a big deal than you make it out to be. We've done this
> before with 'major' componetns.... we'll do it again.  You have to
> accept the fact we are never going to be able to ship 100% bug-free
> code on release day.. no matter how much we slip any particular
> release deadline.  Bugs will exist, and decisions have to be made
> concern the severity and impact of those bugs individually.  All bugs
> are not made equal.  It's the same process upstream projects go
> through. And it may very well be that the important bugs blocking an
> upstream release are out of scope for a Fedora release specifically.
> if you are not watching the upstream process closely then you are not
> in a position to make an informed judgment.
>
> We put a significant amount of integration testing into the new the
> xorg components as they haven been coming along, and if the maintainer
> in question felt things were not in good shape in terms where upstream
> was at we would have regressed by now.
>
>
> -jef"wonders when you'll notice how far away from current upstream
> 'release' our F9 gdm is"spaleta
>
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As a side question to this - Will fedora continue to push xorg updates for
F9 after release?

Mark Bidewell
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