starting Fedora Server SIG
Jeremy Katz
katzj at redhat.com
Fri Nov 14 16:08:52 UTC 2008
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 01:24 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > How is NM-dispatcher a developer service? Similarly, nm-tool is
> > at least quicker than 'ip addr ls ; ip route ls ; cat /etc/resolv.conf'.
>
> and ifconfig -a works on multiple platforms, so it's the one that will
> win.
ifconfig -a doesn't show all the information if you're doing multiple
addresses on an adapter.
> > As for resources... just to point out that NM (at least on my laptop)
> > uses 2.5MB resident... pretty much exactly the same amount as the 5
> > unused mingetty processes that many 'server' admins screamed needed to be
> > kept always.
>
>
> nm, dbus in particular:
> dbus: 3M
> NM: 17M here
>
> that's 20M vs 9M total for all the gettys running here.
You're looking at VSZ, not RSS.
> Look, for the desktop in particular NM makes a lot of sense, I am not
> arguing otherwise.
>
> For the server it is a solution looking for a problem.
>
> The reaction you're seeing is people who don't care about the desktop
> trying to figure out why desktop and/or developer oriented features are
> causing them to have to change their server deployment/config habits.
>
> You can't tell me you're surprised by the pushback, Bill.
Let me change the wording of your argument a little...
"Look, for the desktop in particular Linux makes a lot of sense, I am
not arguing otherwise.
For the server it is a solution looking for a problem. Solaris works
just fine thank you very much."
It's *exactly* the arguments I heard with switching out Solaris stuff
when I was at NCSU.
One of the things about progress and getting to a more mature *platform*
that is suitable across a wide range of uses is change. I'm not saying
that NetworkManager is perfect yet for the server needs. But having
people that want to run a server say "pound sand, go the hell away, we
don't want to run your new-fangled stuff" doesn't help us get to where
it is. Maintaining two systems in parallel is very much a long-run
losing position.
Jeremy
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