X on tty1 in Rawhide/F10

[Les Mikesell]

Casey Dahlin wrote:
> 
>>> Who does this affect?
>>> 1) People using the console a lot who also run X (remember, runlevel 
>>> 3 hasn't changed). Desktop users don't use consoles, server users 
>>> don't use X (I hope). Only a few species of geek remain.
>>
>> This dichotomy exists only in your imagination.  Desktop users 
>> sometimes interact with servers, server users nearly always interact 
>> with desktops.
>>
> 
> The users are the same. The computers, however, are different.

The user is the one that needs consistency.

>>> 2) People recovering from X crashes. Bugs. Errors. Things we could be 
>>> fixing and making not happen rather than accommodating this bizzare 
>>> F1 fetish.
>>
>> People reading documentation.  Please change the behavior _after_ 
>> updating all existing documentation.
>>
> Documentation changes need to go out /at/ the time of change. Not 
> before, not after (though they do need to be prepared ahead of time). I 
> know for the documentation we control the effort will be made to keep 
> that up to date. There's been a recent influx of new contributors 
> recently that care about this area a lot and are doing their best.

But you find documentation by doing a google search. How do you plan to 
replace all of that, along with the memory of people who read it earlier?

> For documentation we don't control, well, there will always be issues.
> 
> I should also point out that for people that know about VTs, the mental 
> fallback pattern probably handles this well. *Ctrl+Alt+F1* "Huh?" 
> *Ctrl+Alt+F1* "What the..." *Ctrl+Alt+F2* "Hmm, that's weird" 
> *Ctrl+Alt+F1* "Oh, ok."

Yes, that might be a reasonable description of someone's encounter with 
fedora.  At least someone who is already used to the inability to stick 
to a user interface.  But is that the way you want people to respond to 
an operating system - punch keys at random until something appears to work?

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   Les Mikesell
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