[Fwd: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora]

Tue Oct 14 09:32:41 UTC 2008

On Tuesday, 14 October 2008 at 05:39, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 17:42 -0300, Horst H. von Brand wrote:
> > Ralf Corsepius <rc040203 at freenet.de> wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2008-10-12 at 16:48 -0300, Horst H. von Brand wrote:
[...]
> > > > Fedora (or any other large group of people) will move where the majority
> > > > wants to go... 
> > 
> > > Well, deployment of an OS to servers, will always be a "minority use
> > > case" and will always collide somewhere with mere desktop oriented
> > > developments.
> > 
> > So?
> Examples: NetworkManager, PulseAudio, setroubleshoot, SELinux-policies,
> PackageKit, defaults ...

I have to agree here. NM maintainer keeps pushing it on people who don't
want it. There is a bug[1] filed, which was fixed and then reverted and now
yum update wants to install NM on my system again, which drags in other
packages which I don't want on my system either.
Another example of its brokenness is this: if you log out of the X session,
you lose your (wireless) network connection.

SELinux is another subject for a good rant. Example: I created /var/log/dovecot,
chowned it to dovecot user and configured it to put its logs there. Bang!
SELinux denial. There's no easy way to fix it permanently either and SELinux
tools documentation is akin to arcane knowledge. Unless you're familiar with
all the terminology, you won't understand it.

PulseAudio is another mess. Three Fedora releases down the road and it still
doesn't work right. It's another of the things I turn off and uninstall after
installing a new Fedora box.

I could go on, but that's enough for now.

[...]
> > >                                              ... tools
> > 
> > Huh?
> koji, bodhi, bugzilla, packagedb ...
> 
> One detail: The amount of administration emails I am receiving from
> koji, bodhi, packagedb: Often, several 1000s per month.

Yeah. Why would I want to receive notification that I requested an update
to be pushed to testing or stable? I already know that, I just did it!

Regards,
R.

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=351101

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