[Fwd: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora]

[David Woodhouse]

On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 11:20 +0200, Patrice Dumas wrote:
> > From what you say above, it sounds like the ConsoleKit feature should be
> > declared incomplete, and we should be reverting it unless the feature
> > owners finish the job.
> 
> If this is the case, then we would only have had ConsoleKit in F-11...
> 
> At the time the issue happened, there was no feature process, but I
> can't see how it would have changed anything. A feature process cannot
> prevent lack of planning, focus on gnome, lack of integration with
> existing frameworks and lack of consideration for alternative setups,

I think that's a fundamental part of what the feature process _should_
be doing. The whole point of the feature process, as I see it, is about
precisely the _planning_ you say we lack. Otherwise, we're just be
throwing new stuff in willy-nilly and just writing it up in the release
notes after the fact.

In this case, there seems to have been a disagreement about _how_ the
other display managers should be fixed. Regardless of that, I think it's
clear that they _SHOULD_ have been fixed...

>  if this attitude is endorsed by the project on a whole, which is the case
> for fedora, see for example
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=228110#c19
> and look at all the conversations on this mailing list or fesco
> decisions.

... but I also think Jeremy was right in the above-mentioned #c19, where
he dropped the bug status to 'tracker'. That's 'SHOULD', not 'MUST'.

> A FESCo vote (at least of today FESCo) would certainly be to let the
> minor dm be broken 

Maybe. I, for one, would vote against it -- I'd expect those responsible
for the PackageKit 'feature' to fix it _somehow_, rather than just
leaving it broken. Even if there is some argument that the fix could be
done a better way.
 
> (hopefully they will be fixed for the RHEL release),

I hope that's not an issue for FESCo members -- although it _should_ be
a factor in the decision-making process of @redhat.com folks working on
stuff. "We're going to have to do the sensible thing in RHEL in the end
anyway; let's do it right away and not screw Fedora over".

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David Woodhouse                            Open Source Technology Centre
David.Woodhouse at intel.com                              Intel Corporation