X on tty1 in Rawhide/F10
Casey Dahlin
cdahlin at redhat.com
Tue Oct 28 20:48:56 UTC 2008
Les Mikesell wrote:
> Casey Dahlin wrote:
>>
>>>> Who does this affect?
>>>> 1) People using the console a lot who also run X (remember,
>>>> runlevel 3 hasn't changed). Desktop users don't use consoles,
>>>> server users don't use X (I hope). Only a few species of geek remain.
>>>
>>> This dichotomy exists only in your imagination. Desktop users
>>> sometimes interact with servers, server users nearly always interact
>>> with desktops.
>>>
>>
>> The users are the same. The computers, however, are different.
>
> The user is the one that needs consistency.
>
Ctrl+Alt+F1 brings up the primary user interface. Sounds consistent to me.
>>>> 2) People recovering from X crashes. Bugs. Errors. Things we could
>>>> be fixing and making not happen rather than accommodating this
>>>> bizzare F1 fetish.
>>>
>>> People reading documentation. Please change the behavior _after_
>>> updating all existing documentation.
>>>
>> Documentation changes need to go out /at/ the time of change. Not
>> before, not after (though they do need to be prepared ahead of time).
>> I know for the documentation we control the effort will be made to
>> keep that up to date. There's been a recent influx of new
>> contributors recently that care about this area a lot and are doing
>> their best.
>
> But you find documentation by doing a google search. How do you plan
> to replace all of that, along with the memory of people who read it
> earlier?
>
You're right. Stop the release, we need to ship Red Hat 7.3 instead.
>> For documentation we don't control, well, there will always be issues.
>>
>> I should also point out that for people that know about VTs, the
>> mental fallback pattern probably handles this well. *Ctrl+Alt+F1*
>> "Huh?" *Ctrl+Alt+F1* "What the..." *Ctrl+Alt+F2* "Hmm, that's weird"
>> *Ctrl+Alt+F1* "Oh, ok."
>
> Yes, that might be a reasonable description of someone's encounter
> with fedora. At least someone who is already used to the inability to
> stick to a user interface. But is that the way you want people to
> respond to an operating system - punch keys at random until something
> appears to work?
People have more in common with chimpanzees than you realize.
--CJD
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