X on tty1 in Rawhide/F10

Casey Dahlin cdahlin at redhat.com
Tue Oct 28 20:48:56 UTC 2008


Les Mikesell wrote:
> Casey Dahlin wrote:
>>
>>>> Who does this affect?
>>>> 1) People using the console a lot who also run X (remember, 
>>>> runlevel 3 hasn't changed). Desktop users don't use consoles, 
>>>> server users don't use X (I hope). Only a few species of geek remain.
>>>
>>> This dichotomy exists only in your imagination.  Desktop users 
>>> sometimes interact with servers, server users nearly always interact 
>>> with desktops.
>>>
>>
>> The users are the same. The computers, however, are different.
>
> The user is the one that needs consistency.
>
Ctrl+Alt+F1 brings up the primary user interface. Sounds consistent to me.

>>>> 2) People recovering from X crashes. Bugs. Errors. Things we could 
>>>> be fixing and making not happen rather than accommodating this 
>>>> bizzare F1 fetish.
>>>
>>> People reading documentation.  Please change the behavior _after_ 
>>> updating all existing documentation.
>>>
>> Documentation changes need to go out /at/ the time of change. Not 
>> before, not after (though they do need to be prepared ahead of time). 
>> I know for the documentation we control the effort will be made to 
>> keep that up to date. There's been a recent influx of new 
>> contributors recently that care about this area a lot and are doing 
>> their best.
>
> But you find documentation by doing a google search. How do you plan 
> to replace all of that, along with the memory of people who read it 
> earlier?
>
You're right. Stop the release, we need to ship Red Hat 7.3 instead.
>> For documentation we don't control, well, there will always be issues.
>>
>> I should also point out that for people that know about VTs, the 
>> mental fallback pattern probably handles this well. *Ctrl+Alt+F1* 
>> "Huh?" *Ctrl+Alt+F1* "What the..." *Ctrl+Alt+F2* "Hmm, that's weird" 
>> *Ctrl+Alt+F1* "Oh, ok."
>
> Yes, that might be a reasonable description of someone's encounter 
> with fedora.  At least someone who is already used to the inability to 
> stick to a user interface.  But is that the way you want people to 
> respond to an operating system - punch keys at random until something 
> appears to work?
People have more in common with chimpanzees than you realize.

--CJD




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