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Re: Fedora 11: moving to posix file capabilities?

On Wednesday 29 October 2008 15:25:15 Colin Walters wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Steve Grubb <sgrubb redhat com> wrote:
> > 1) We've spent a lot of time on getting audit right. We can tell what
> > account was logged in under and find every single application that was
> > started as a result of that login. Message passing breaks this.
> True, though how interesting is the question of "what binaries were
> executed" as opposed to the system having enough intelligence to
> display security-relevant information?

Not sure I follow your question. I am talking about /proc/<pid>/loginuid and 

> > 2) There is no accountability for what actions are performed for each
> > user. The audit system cannot tell who something was done for.
> Should be easy to add such auditing; actually I think we do want to
> have dbus audit on system activation regardless of PolicyKit.

Again I'm talking about loginuid and sessionid.

> > 3) There is yet another MAC policy with no auditing of access decisions.
> Duplicate of 2)?

No this is about PolicyKit being another MAC system that needs configuring.

> As for the sysadmin impact, yes, there is a concern there but
> there is documentation: 
> http://hal.freedesktop.org/docs/PolicyKit/PolicyKit.conf.5.html 

Where's the GUI or commandline tool that lets me configure it? I may need to 
have auditing of who changed what entry in that file. When I chmod 4755 a 
program, I know who changed it, what the old and new values are, when they 
did it, and what the outcome was.

> Anyways, I don't want to completely derail this discussion on fcap
> into suid-vs-PolicyKit;

True...but this is a discussion that needs to be had so that it can be fixed. 
Auditing from user space is not trustworthy and that's why its done from the 
kernel. A user space daemon making access control decisions will not be 
something I want to see getting spread into things that are part of the next 
CC evaluation.


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