Dependency loops considered harmful?
Toshio Kuratomi
a.badger at gmail.com
Thu Sep 4 16:20:40 UTC 2008
Matej Cepl wrote:
> On 2008-09-03, 23:41 GMT, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>> That works for a Mom and Pop desktop but doesn't work as
>> a developer's workstation. When developing software you might
>> need a library that does Foo. Look on the system, hey, I can
>> use libFoo! A few weeks later, when you remove Gnome-Foo from
>> your system because your shiny new application does the job,
>> your app suddenly can't find libFoo....
>
> No, you would still find libFoo, because yum would still have
> recorded that libFoo was directly installed, and not just to
> satisfy dependency on Gnome-foo. Don't say it is not possible,
> when it was working (and I were using it) for years on Debian.
>
You're misunderstanding the scenario. libFoo is not directly installed.
It's installed to satisfy the dependency for Gnome-Foo. But after it's
installed, I start looking for something that let's me develop a new
program that does Foo. libFoo is installed on my system so I start
using it to create my app.
This is possibly more pronounced in the world of scripting languages
where runtime and development bits are one and the same package.
> Moreover, even if it didn't help your developer (and I claim that
> it would), I would still prefer solution which cures problems of
> at least normal users and wouldn't help developers (who should
> now how to fix their system).
>
In my reply to Callum Lerwick I pointed out that this is a fallacy.
Developers != System Administrators. Developers are end-users just like
Mom and Pop firefox+openoffice users.
-Toshio
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