Pulseaudio : lots of issues, how can I help?

[Suren Karapetyan]

Denis Leroy wrote:
> Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
>> And that's ok. Do remember that X was defined at a time hardware was
>> vastly less powerful and core X is not wasteful at all. Compared to
>> how the rest of the system has bloated, X is definitely lean and mean.
> 
> I agree with that point. Does an X-based mingetty replacement actually 
> exists ? Something that's proven to be sufficiently fail-safe (will work 
> even with half-broken X configurations and such?).
> 

This is getting really confusing.
There will NEVER be a "X-based mingetty replacement". At least because 
mingetty is "_MINIMAL_ getty for consoles".
Having to run X (and you know... it won't start with less then 256M ram) 
on every machine with Fedora is a real problem.
For example on the desktop I'm writing from (and I'm sure not only here) 
X is always high in top with both CPU and memory usage, it's the most 
frequently crashing/freezing part of the system. And I don't think it 
will ever change. You know, X is doing a really complex job. 
Input/output devices, resolution changing, 3D acceleration, broken 
games... They will always cause problems. I don't think it's possible to 
create fail-safe X.
Having this problems on a machine which will never benefit from X, is a 
rel problem.
On the other hand I rarely see mingetty sessions crash. And if 
mingetty+bash+mc+gpm is more than enough for a system, having a full X 
stack running on it is overkill (or stupid).

There are a lot of people in the community pushing really hard to make 
Fedora a "Desktop OS", "desktop product". These people must understand 
that their desktop isn't the only (and I hope not even the most 
important) place Fedora is supposed to run. I personally run it on a 
desktop a laptop and 6 servers. I like NetworkManager running on the 
laptop. It makes switching from network to network very easy, it works 
perfectly with wireless networks. But NetworkManager enabled by default 
on a server I install is really confusing. It makes my (professional) 
life harder. If we continue making power users'/administrators' life 
harder while we try to be more "user-friendly" (and by user we always 
think Joe-clueless) we will loose them. And this special kind of users 
are the most important (correct me if I'm wrong) for Free Software.

And I would like to thank You for Your time if You managed to read till 
here :)