please deactivate services by default!

[Matthew Woehlke]

Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 20:08 -0500, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
>> First, I'm not talking about root's mail. Second, how does local mail 
>> not work? I get 'you have mail' notifications just fine (granted, bash 
>> isn't as obnoxious about it as it could be, i.e. it seems like some days 
>> I don't see a notification, but...). 'mail' is able to read and manage 
>> my spool. What's the problem?
> 
> Root's mail is where things like logwatch and smart reports go.  That's
> the only thing getting mail on a fresh install.
> 
> For users that never log into a virtual tty (and that's a large large
> amount of them) they never see a new mail notification.

I agree it's a problem. It is, however, not the problem I'm raising my 
concerns about.

I *do* log into tty's (konsole is almost always one of the first three 
programs I start, and I often have a dozen or so tty's open at once), 
and I do get local mail sent to my user, ergo I *do* see new mail 
notifications. I don't think that's uncommon for power users using cron.

(Hmm. This reminds me of the opposite of the gdm-multi-login 
conversation, the attitude that we should cater /only/ to Joe Average 
and screw over power users.)

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Matthew
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