How important is comps.xml to us these days? Which packages should be in comps.xml and which not?

Jesse Keating jkeating at
Mon Sep 22 22:21:34 UTC 2008

On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 21:43 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> No. PK groups are made up _from_ the comps groups. There are just an
> order of magnitude less options, and it's a flat list rather than a
> tree. Comps supports optional, mandatory, suggested and the sort of
> power user stuff that I just don't want to support in PackageKit.

Well that's just too damn bad.  You're making things /worse/ by having a
different view of things post-install than you had during install.  This
was one of the /best/ things about pirut is that you got the same
familiar UI, whether that UI was good or bad didn't matter, it was
the /same/ and /consistent/.

> For me to "clean up the groups" would be to rip out all optional groups,
> rip out most of the obscure categories and add lots of packages with
> lots of extra deps. I'm sure that's not what you want me to do with
> comps at all.

Well it'd certainly be a starting point for a conversation, which is
much better than decisions being made about our distribution and what
our users see in our distribution discussed and made somewhere that
was /not/ our distribution.  Hurting, not helping.

> If you want to actually help with this stuff, can I suggest you join the
> PackageKit mailing list and discuss there? Fedora isn't the only
> consumer of PackageKit, and I'm keen on working upstream on ideas and
> policies with other distros rather than just defending decisions made
> upstream that affect fedora.

If I'd known that upstream was actively looking to destroy our package
classifications, rather than actually work with us to clean them up a
bit maybe I would have joined the conversation.  A heads up might have
been in order.  I fear that any conversation now will just be too little
too late.

> And just correcting you: this wasn't _my_ decision, this was the result
> of working with lots of other distros. Sarcasm doesn't help anybody.

Neither does letting other distributions make decisions about ours.

Jesse Keating
Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature!
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