making available usb usable iso's without using livecd-iso-to-disk or liveusb-creator

[David]

On 4/12/2009 12:10 PM, psmith wrote:
> David wrote:
>> On 4/11/2009 4:20 PM, psmith wrote:

>>> David wrote:

>>>> On 4/11/2009 1:50 PM, psmith wrote:



>>>>> we were talking on this list a few weeks back about making live spins
>>>>> available in a usb format instead of just an iso and it was said
>>>>> that it
>>>>> would incur more work and that because of the script and program
>>>>> mentioned in the title there was no need, well it turns out that
>>>>> mandriva have made iso's that are both usb and cdr compatible, all
>>>>> that's needed to put the iso on usb is a dd command,





>>>>> dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/usb-diskname bs=8M





>>>>> for more info check here >>
>>>>> http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.1_RC_2#Hybrid_ISOs





>>>>> is this something that fedora would consider?





>>>>> phil





>>>>> i don't know if that this is new info or not, or how they do it but i
>>>>> thought it interesting and i think all distros should head this way
>>>>> for
>>>>> live releases.





>>>>> phil





>>>> This one works well.



>>>> liveusb-creator



>>>> https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/



>>>> and it's already in Fedora 10 and up. You can make your own.  :-)




>>> like i said it was brought up that liveusb-creator and
>>> livecd-iso-to-disk were available, but both of these are additional
>>> packages and incur resource usage where as releasing an iso that is both
>>> usb and cdr compatible saves resources and makes the step of writing to
>>> usb a simple one, granted liveusb-creator and livecd-iso-to-disk are
>>> easy enough to use but they are an additional download where as dd is
>>> installed by default. i can see no reason not to use this dual format
>>> for live releases, and if you think that because tools are available to
>>> use the existing method is a valid reason not to move forward with other
>>> more useful methods then i don't know what to say :-/



>>> phil


>> So what you are saying it that you want all of the mirrors to carry
>> both a
>> CD ISO and a USB ISO? One each for Gnome and KDE.

>> Ping. Both are the same animal guy. The same ISO that you would burn
>> to a CD
>> is the same ISO that you would write to a USB stick. It all depends on
>> what
>> you use to install it where.


> how about actually reading what's written huh? the iso that mandriva
> prepares is usable as a cd iso and a usb iso only requiring dd to write
> it to usb, so how is this two iso's?

> and the same goes here one iso two purposes, but with the mandriva
> version there is no need for installing secondary programs like
> livecd-tools or liveusb-creator to use it on a usb, just dd the image
> across

So what did Mandriva leave off their Live-CD that Fedora does not? The
powers that be said that the packages to 'write to a USB stick' would not
fit in the CD ISO.

I was thinking more along the lines of a Windows user. They do not have the
CLI like a Linux user does. And, quite honestly, many Linux users don't, or
can't, use the CLI either.

To write to a USB stick and then use it extensively would be, IMO, foolish.
Since the memory ship it write limited the swap file and log files, Linux
logs just about everything, I would think would kill it very quickly.

Be prepared for the flying shoes here.  :-p  Someone, somewhere, will want
include what you suggested to be excludes.

Have a good day.
-- 


  David