My first DontZap use case while testing F11 beta
mjg at redhat.com
Fri Apr 17 16:52:06 UTC 2009
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 08:43:28AM -0700, Christopher Stone wrote:
> 2009/4/16 Jesse Keating <jkeating at redhat.com>:
> > On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 01:37 +0500, Suren Karapetyan wrote:
> >> You will not find anyone @RH who will agree that
> >> previews behavior was better
> > On the contrary, you'll likely find many people who work for Red Hat
> > that would prefer the old behavior, they're just not wasting their time
> > by arguing about it on a distribution mailing list.
> So what are they doing instead? Absolutely nothing? How ridiculous.
> Let's just make a bunch of extremely bad decisions and keep bad
> defaults because actually trying to convince someone that the defaults
> or decisions people make are bad is pointless.
The people to convince are the maintainers of the code in question, and
in the general case sprawling threads on distribution mailing lists
aren't a good way to do that. Some worthwhile ideas came out of this
discussion and were implemented - however, at this point it's just
repeating the same arguments over and over again, and argument ad
nauseum is not the most convincing approach.
One thing that should be borne in mind is that the Fedora X maintainers
are a subset of the upstream X maintainers. Convincing Fedora to change
the default is likely to be an equivalent task to convincing upstream to
change the default. The only real way that any divergence could develop
would be for the Fedora maintainers to be overruled.
My understanding is that if FESCO is unwilling to do this then the issue
could (in principle) be raised to the board. If that doesn't lead
anywhere then your issue becomes one with the overall governance of the
project, and that's best discussed somewhere other than on a technical
development mailing list.
In summary: The technical issues raised are well understood by the
maintainers. Unless there's any further insight into those issues then
this is not the mailing list to continue the discussions. It's simply no
longer a development issue.
Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org
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