Fedora 11 nerfed my mixer

[Dimi Paun]

On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 16:45 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> Yes. I am aware of that. That's one of the reasons there is alsamixer
> shipped with our distro.

But Lennart, this is not an option for the general Joe. I've used Linux
exclusively for more than 13 years, and I wasn't even aware of this
alsamixer until recently when _you_ mentioned it to me. 

For most people, if it's not easily accessible from a convenient UI
(the Volume Control in this case), it _does_not_exist_. And it should
be this way.

For crying out loud, how would someone know to open up a terminal
and run this obscure problem? How would they know about it?

In F8 at least I could control all that from the Volume Control, as
crappy as that was. As soon as I upgraded to F11, I was lost! I had
to file a bug report https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=493790
just to find out about alsamixer! (BTW, this was the problem Dave was
mentioning: the DB was missing entries, and for a very standard piece of
HW, and the user was toast)

I know you mean well by trying to simplify this entire mess (I hated the
old Volume Control, it was too much), but on the other hand this seems
to be a messy problem and taking too much control from the user is a
mistake. At least that's what my intuition is telling me, FWIW.

-- 
Dimi Paun <dimi at lattica.com>
Lattica, Inc.