Blocking radeonhd (was Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?)

Dave Airlie airlied at
Wed Dec 2 20:20:20 UTC 2009

On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 08:04 +0100, Matěj Cepl wrote:
> Dne 1.12.2009 21:43, Bill Nottingham napsal(a):
> > If the e1000 driver is broken in the kernel for some people, we don't support
> > shipping an alternate driver. If a new version of the intel graphics driver
> > is broken for some people, we don't support shipping a pre-KMS version
> > of the driver.
> >
> > Why would we do differently here?
> Because if e1000 is broken, we can be sure with reasonably high level of 
> certainity, it will be fixed without undue delay. For Xorg drivers 
> (especially with regards to 3D support) we have hope that it will be 
> slightly better in the next Fedora release, but complete coverage is 
> still just a dream.
> Moreover, I don't know what's your problem with radeonhd driver in 
> Fedora. Hanz does IMHO excellent job on maintaining it and it doesn't 
> drag much additional resources on anybody (except on me, perhaps, 
> because I triage bugs for him as well, which is the reason that this 
> time I even a little know what I am talking about ;)). And of course 
> comparing -radeonhd bugs ( with -ati bugs 
> ( is unfair, because there are many more users of 
> -ati driver, but at least it shows that radeonhd is really not burning 
> issue.

3D is a misnomer, radeonhd vs radeon has nothing whatsoever to do with
the 3D stack.

The big issue is with KMS on using radeonhd is like shooting yourself in
the face. Either we need to patch radeonhd in Fedora to not start with
KMS enabled or remove it from the distro.


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