packages requiring me to reboot...

[nodata]

Am 2009-12-17 15:02, schrieb Otto Haliburton:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fedora-devel-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-devel-list-
>> bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eelko Berkenpies
>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 05:09
>> To: Development discussions related to Fedora
>> Subject: Re: packages requiring me to reboot...
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Otto Haliburton
>> <ottohaliburton at tx.rr.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "nodata"<lsof at nodata.co.uk>
>>> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
>>> <fedora-devel-list at redhat.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:29 AM
>>> Subject: Re: packages requiring me to reboot...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 2009-12-16 18:21, schrieb Seth Vidal:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, nodata wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> we're talking about the experienced user who is comfortable knowing
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> does and does not need a reboot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All I'm saying is - we've not taken away any option, the experienced
>>>>>>> user can do what they want.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -sv
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True, but the default should be sensible.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the default is sensible for the inexperienced user:
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't try to explain to the user how to restart the apps individually,
>>>>> tell them to bounce the box and it will be the right version when it
>>>>> comes back.
>>>>>
>>>>> -sv
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand I think requiring more reboots than Windows is a bad
>>>> thing...
>>>>
>>> windows update will automatically reboot your system when it
>> automatically
>>> updates it
>>> windows tried the optional stuff but now almost every case it requires a
>>> restart.
>>
>> I don't like the term "experienced user" and I never feel comfortable
>> adding myself to that group but anyway,
>>
>> - I don't want Windows to automatically reboot so I disable the
>> automatic Windows Update on the machines I'm using.
>>
>> - I don't want my Fedora to reboot automatically so I disable and
>> remove PackageKit on the machines I'm using.
>>
>> There isn't that much I could say about the times Fedora ask for a
>> reboot but at least I think it's kind of "unfair" to compare it with
>> an OS which pushes their updates just once a month.
>>
>> Just my € 0.02.
> first of all PackageKit does not do mandatory reboots.  If you hadn't
> disabled it you would know that.  In fact the people that are complaining
> don't seem to have any idea why reboots are necessary.  You need to get a
> grip on file processing, cache, and other processes that speeds up execution
> then you will know why it is not trivial. i.e. you kill a task that is in
> the process of writing data to a file after you update it.  What happens????
>>
>> --
>> With kind regards / Met vriendelijke groet,
>>
>> Eelko Berkenpies
>> http://blog.berkenpies.nl/
>>
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>

I wish mailing list discussions were point-for-point for-and-against. It 
would be so much easier.

Here is my point: Windows requires a reboot less often than Linux. Argue 
all you want, it's true.

Linux has quicker security updates than Linux. That's an advantage.

ksplice can patch a running kernel...