support for latest (radeon) hardware

[Hans de Goede]

Callum Lerwick wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 23:17 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> That said, it's a tough topic, because regressions tend to really annoy
>> people, they feel "WTF, this always worked, WhyTF is it no longer working
>> now?", even though from a purely practical point of view, unfixed bugs (and
>> not working on some hardware is practically speaking a bug, even though
>> technically it's a missing feature) are much worse because there's no
>> working build to revert to.
> 
> Your logic is flawed. People with not yet supported hardware, can find
> supported hardware, or live with workarounds like VESA. You can not make
> progress by accepting regressions. At best, you are spinning your wheels
> in place, at worst you are taking one step forward and two steps back.
> Regression means just that, you are regressing. Fedora is about
> progress, not regress. The linux kernel has a rather strict
> no-regressions policy, for good reason:
> 
> http://lwn.net/Articles/261713/
> 
> I wish Xorg and Fedora as a whole, would adopt a similar policy. I'm
> very unhappy with how the Xorg update went in F10. Just when we started
> getting reliable, usable open source OpenGL, F10 came along and broke
> *everything*:
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=474977
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=441665
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-January/msg00435.html
> 
> Not a single one of my machines works out of the box like they did in
> F9, they all need work-arounds. But OpenGL support has been quite
> thoroughly broken. This has pretty well fucked any ability to get back
> to working on Second Life:
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233946
> 
> I have Shit To Do, and it looks like I'm going to have to revert my
> entire Xorg back to F9 to do it.
> 

Yes that is what I've done too (revert back to F-9 Xorg), even though I've been 
actively working with airlied (congrats with your kid once more) to get things 
in shape for F-10 and I believe we are in ok shape wrt 2d in F-10 3d is simply 
not usable in F-10, and since I maintain many games in Fedora I need working 3d.

Regards,

Hans