fedora 11 worst then ever release

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 07/27/2009 11:26 AM, David Cantrell wrote:
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> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
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>> On 07/27/2009 07:33 AM, David Cantrell wrote:
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>>> On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, Björn Persson wrote:
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>>>> Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>>>>> On 07/26/2009 02:37 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2009, Alan Cox wrote:
>>>>>>> "all of my system has a wrong openssl version"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> all these symptoms sound like your upgrade went horribly wrong. I've
>>>>>>> seen preupgrade mash up a box by half upgrading like that. It's the
>>>>>>> main
>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>> I don't think preupgrade is actually safe to use yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Preupgrade's process is to depsolve - using the same method anaconda
>>>>>> does, download the pkgs it solves out. Put them in a cachedir.
>>>>>> Download
>>>>>> a kernel and an initrd, Setup a ks.cfg. then reboot the machine and
>>>>>> allow anaconda to do the install.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Specific issues we've had with preupgrade are related to not being
>>>>>> able
>>>>>> to find a mirror and/or not being able to get pkgs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mine were
>>>>> * preupgrade running out of diskspace on / when trying to fill
>>>>> /var/cache/yum (my "/"'s tend to be minimized/small)
>>>>
>>>> You're not blaming Preupgrade for the partition being too small, are
>>>> you? If
>>>> you want a small root partition you should put /var/cache/yum on
>>>> another
>>>> partition.
>>>>
>>>> Do you mean Preupgrade didn't handle the lack of disk space well?
>>>>
>>>>> * anaconda failing during reboots due not being able to process fstab
>>>>> correctly (FC11's anaconda misparses fstab and is unable able to
>>>>> process
>>>>> bind-mounts nor nfs-mounts).
>>>
>>> Bind mounts are fixed, as far as I know:
>>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=496406
>>>
>>> For NFS mounts, I believe it's fixed in commit
>>> 40728ffcc1e32eb6b5ccc0cd3b3ddb23216cf199, which was on June 7th. That
>>> should
>>> carry over NFS mounts listed in /etc/fstab if you are doing an upgrade.
>> Well, to my knowledge these are "FIXED RAWHIDE", only.
>>
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> That's true. anaconda is unique in that the only way a new one can be
> released to fix installation issues for users is to generate new media.
Exactly => this bug is _not fixed_.


> We continue to fix problems reported against Fedora 11's anaconda in
> rawhide,
> but for users needing the fix in the latest stable release, consider Fedora
> Unity. Fedora Unity generates new spins of the latest stable release
> including backports of anaconda fixes:
>
> http://www.fedoraunity.org/
With all due respect to fedoraunity and you. To me it is a serious 
Fedora management and rel-eng mistake causing major harm to fedora's and 
RH's reputation to not provide updated media, thus to expose users to 
known bugs.

Openly said, I think this management mistake is one of the culprits for 
the poor shape of Fedora.

Another one is not having banned "FIXED RAWHIDE/UPSTREAM".

Ralf