Raising the bar

[Peter Robinson]

> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Peter Robinson<pbrobinson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Focus on rawhide will mean the next release will see the improvements :)
>>>
>>> That means, that the next release will be untested, as usual. So why
>>> create another useless initiative?
>>
>> Huh? your on the devel list and you don't use rawhide? Maybe I should
>> introduce you to the fedora-test list.....
>>
>>> Please, keep in mind, that almost nodoby using Rawhide == nobody will
>>> participate except few paid Red Hat developers == useless initiative.
>>>
>>> I repeat - this initiative should be based only (exclusively) on
>>> current releases.
>>
>> What a load of crap! I use rawhide as do hundreds of other testers. I
>> don't use it on my work laptop until feature freeze but I do use it on
>> my home laptop, netbook, a number of VMs and servers and I know LOTs
>> of other people do......
>>
>> Given that the release CD/DVD images/isos don't get updated and until
>> they update there's no improvement what's the point?
>
> Let's try not to let doomsayers drag down the level of debate here.
> The other Peter made a reasonable point that we can address without
> calling it a load of crap probably.  We have a thread here that should
> be a light in the darkness.  A way for us all to make something we
> love even better.  Let's try to keep it positive.

Apologies my point was that developers are by definition users too.
They may be using vim/emacs to grind code but they still browse,
email, IM etc like every other desktop usser...

Peter