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Re: FESCo Meeting Summary for 20090424

On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 12:09 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote:

> Not really sure about this winning threads business but, speaking only
> for myself, I chose to ignore it in part because the thread clearly
> jumped the shark when you replied to your own message at least twice.

I do that when I realize it's important to expand on something I
mentioned only in passing.

> And the rest of us likely already know about pavucontrol.  Lennart
> wrote it and we designed the new volume control to replace it (for our
> target users).  The fact that it is still currently in the menus is
> almost certainly an oversight - not a confirmation that what you are
> proposing is a good idea.

That doesn't explain why it shipped alongside gnome-volume-control for
the last three releases, when all along you have been telling us that
shipping two graphical volume control utilities by default is a terrible
idea that will confuse people and is bad UI.

And, I really should have anticipated your reaction. Of *course* the
correct response to me pointing out that we're already shipping two
volume control applications by default and have been for a while with no
apparent problems is not to accept that this means it's probably a
perfectly good idea to have multiple applications so long as they each
expose important functionality that the other doesn't. No, the correct
response is to say that we should immediately drop one to maintain
ideological purity.

I mean...sheesh. Are you serious? We should drop pavucontrol because
including it is an 'oversight'? Despite the fact that, as I pointed out,
gnome-volume-control has no profile support and hence you can only use
pavucontrol to switch from analog to digital output, or from analog
stereo to analog surround? And even *Lennart* advocates using it this
way, in various bug reports?

Presumably none of your 'target users' has an S/PDIF output either? Or
an analog surround sound setup?

This is just getting ridiculous.
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org

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