Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

[Terry Barnaby]

On 11/28/2009 07:31 AM, Terry Barnaby wrote:
> On 11/27/2009 08:12 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 20:04 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I did take part in the Radeon test day. Unfortunately the tests did not
>>> really cover 3D and it was difficult to test this using the Live system.
>>> I did feed back this.
>>
>> Right...that is mainly a product of what Dave mentioned, that general 3D
>> functionality is unfortunately right at the bottom of the priority list,
>> at least until we have drivers that work really solidly for basic
>> desktop functionality. But I'd be happy to have more extensive 3D tests
>> in the list for future test days, please do feel free to submit some.
>>
>>> But they are a good idea and I would have thought
>>> could be extended to having a test day after a release has been going
>>> for a month or so so more users could take part.
>>
>> It's not a bad idea, for sure. I'm not sure _I'd_ do it, though, it's
>> enough work organizing the test days for the upcoming release without
>> doing ones for the last release too. :) However, we do have a process
>> for allowing anyone to organize a Test Day. You can propose one just by
>> mailing test-list or filing a ticket in QA trac, and we have an SOP for
>> the whole process of actually hosting one:
>>
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Test_Day_management
>>
>> so it'd be perfectly feasible for a community member to organize
>> post-release graphics test events for the stable release. I'd be happy
>> to work those into the upcoming test day schedule if you'd be interested
>> in doing it.
>>
>>> Actually it was not me with NVIDIA. I don't have any systems using this
>>> chipset.
>>
>> sorry, yes, mistaken identity :)
>>
>>> Yes I take your points, but it is hard for users, quite often, to
>>> test the
>>> system and know how to track down where a bug is occurring and report
>>> it.
>>> Generally users and volunteers do not have the experience of how the
>>> Fedora developer community and its systems work, how the graphics system
>>> works and how to test and report issues. So some involvement of
>>> developers
>>> to getting a relatively simple testing regime going may help get this
>>> underway.
>>
>> We do have a page on reporting X.org bugs:
>>
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Xorg_problems
>>
>> which should cover the major points, and which we try to direct people
>> to wherever we can. Do you think there's anything missing from that?
>>
>>> Anyway, I have been convinced, from what Dave has said, that things
>>> are being
>>> done and have now started trying to use F12 and will attempt to
>>> report back
>>> issues I see.
>>
>> Thanks a lot.
>>
> Some really useful info in How_to_debug_Xorg_problems. I couldn't easily
> find it from the main wiki home page however. Maybe a link to this page
> marked "Graphics issues" could be made on the front page (focus users on
> improving the
> graphics) ?
> Could improve the title "Graphics problems and bug reporting" ?
> and add some search terms such as "Graphics Problems", "3D problems" etc.
> Add some info on what to set for "Bugzilla" fields ?
> Maybe the bug reports should include the package version numbers ?
> Maybe some simple user tools could be generated to ease and make bug
> reporting more useful. Something simple like the following might be useful:
>
> #!/bin/sh
> date > bug1
> lspci | grep VGA >> bug1
> (echo -n "kernel: "; uname -r) >> bug1
> rpm -q --qf "%{NAME}-%{VERSION}-%{RELEASE}\n" xorg-x11-server-Xorg >> bug1
> rpm -q --qf "%{NAME}-%{VERSION}-%{RELEASE}\n" xorg-x11-drv-ati >> bug1
> rpm -q --qf "%{NAME}-%{VERSION}-%{RELEASE}\n" mesa-dri-drivers >> bug1
> glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer string" >> bug1
>
> It might be worth including info on how to update from fedora-testing
> just graphics related packages. Ie add something like:
> "includepkgs=kernel* xorg-x11-* mesa*"
> to the "updates-testing" section of fedora-updates-testing.repo and
> enable the repo ? Also how to revert. Should it state that all tests
> should be done with fedora-updates-testing packages ?
>
> I notice there is a new xorg-x11-drv-ati. It does look like things are
> moving :)
> All we need now is 2 months down the line for Fedora 12.1 to be released
> with
> updated anaconda and all updated packages in ISO form so that
> Joe public can easily install a good working Fedora release ...
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Terry
>
Which are the best Bugzilla components to register bugs against:

X11 driver ATI: xorg-x11-drv-ati
3D driver: mesa
DRM: kernel ???

Cheers


Terry