Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 20:04 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I did take part in the Radeon test day. Unfortunately the tests did not
> really cover 3D and it was difficult to test this using the Live system.
> I did feed back this. 

Right...that is mainly a product of what Dave mentioned, that general 3D
functionality is unfortunately right at the bottom of the priority list,
at least until we have drivers that work really solidly for basic
desktop functionality. But I'd be happy to have more extensive 3D tests
in the list for future test days, please do feel free to submit some.

> But they are a good idea and I would have thought
> could be extended to having a test day after a release has been going
> for a month or so so more users could take part.

It's not a bad idea, for sure. I'm not sure _I'd_ do it, though, it's
enough work organizing the test days for the upcoming release without
doing ones for the last release too. :) However, we do have a process
for allowing anyone to organize a Test Day. You can propose one just by
mailing test-list or filing a ticket in QA trac, and we have an SOP for
the whole process of actually hosting one:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Test_Day_management

so it'd be perfectly feasible for a community member to organize
post-release graphics test events for the stable release. I'd be happy
to work those into the upcoming test day schedule if you'd be interested
in doing it.

> Actually it was not me with NVIDIA. I don't have any systems using this
> chipset.

sorry, yes, mistaken identity :)

> Yes I take your points, but it is hard for users, quite often, to test the
> system and know how to track down where a bug is occurring and report it.
> Generally users and volunteers do not have the experience of how the
> Fedora developer community and its systems work, how the graphics system
> works and how to test and report issues. So some involvement of developers
> to getting a relatively simple testing regime going may help get this
> underway.

We do have a page on reporting X.org bugs:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Xorg_problems

which should cover the major points, and which we try to direct people
to wherever we can. Do you think there's anything missing from that?

> Anyway, I have been convinced, from what Dave has said, that things are being 
> done and have now started trying to use F12 and will attempt to report back
> issues I see.

Thanks a lot.

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