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> Article title > > Section title > ...... Thanks for your help. That's what I seem to have (although the title is contained within articleinfo tags as with the sample tutorial. Basically, what I want is a description of what the error message means - ie, what does an element with a ? after it mean, what do the brackets means, what's compulsory? I expect there's a URL somewhere to tell me but damned if I/Google can find it. Mike From mikem at cyber.com.au Mon Feb 9 02:33:25 2004 From: mikem at cyber.com.au (Mike MacCana) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:33:25 +1100 (EST) Subject: Need help deciphering a xmlto error message In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040207074127.02685e68@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Dave Pawson wrote: > At 07:31 07/02/2004, Mike MacCana wrote: > >Obviously my doc doesn't conform to the DTD - but does it really need all > >the sections mentioned? Or are some of them optional? > > > The message is saying 'these elements are valid here, > and your document doesn't have any of them > > > >If its a simple answer, what's my doc currently lacking - as I started > >from the example tutorial... > > > try >

> Article title > > Section title > ...... > > HTH Actually, that did help. Didn't realize you meant to repalce all the section with sect1s in the whole document - after I did that, the error goes away. I guess it just wants me to be consistent - use section through the document, or use sect1, but be consistent (before I was using section unless I needed to nest a subsection)? Cheers, Mike From kwade at redhat.com Mon Feb 9 03:54:43 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 08 Feb 2004 19:54:43 -0800 Subject: Need help deciphering a xmlto error message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076298883.3539.6.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 18:33, Mike MacCana wrote: > I guess it just wants me to be consistent - use section through the > document, or use sect1, but be consistent (before I was using section > unless I needed to nest a subsection)? AIUI, you must use either

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indefinitely (no limit). only goes 5 levels deep, which is sometimes a nice limit to have; otherwise nesting gets out of hand. All of this is explained at: http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/section.html There is a complete list of all elements at the top-level for Norm Walsh's book, http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/docbook.html. You can use the parent/child relationship of elements to learn more about the error messages you had. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade : Tech Writer, RHCE : o: +1.831.466.9664 kwade at redhat.com : http://rhea.redhat.com/ : c: +1.831.818.9995 Red Hat Applications : WAF, CMS, Portal Server -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From al at xms.co.za Mon Feb 9 07:07:09 2004 From: al at xms.co.za (Andrew Lewis) Date: 09 Feb 2004 09:07:09 +0200 Subject: Hi In-Reply-To: <200402082304.i18N4In23196@mx2.redhat.com> References: <200402082304.i18N4In23196@mx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1076310428.2035.9.camel@al.xms.co.za> On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 01:28, tfox at redhat.com wrote: > Mail transaction failed. Partial message is available. Note: http://spf.pobox.com helps. In this case you could also manually configure your MTA to reject mail from redhat.com which isn't (unless, Tammy, you are, really, sending us virii?). This list is (and should stay?) reasonably low-volume enough that I would think it could be moderated if some-one were inclined to moderate it. Just some ideas. :) Excuse off-topic (list-related) message. :> -AL. From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Mon Feb 9 17:15:34 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 17:15:34 +0000 Subject: Need help deciphering a xmlto error message In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040207074127.02685e68@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040209171400.026859f0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 02:15 09/02/2004, Mike MacCana wrote: > > try > >

> > Article title > > > > Section title > > ...... > >Thanks for your help. > >That's what I seem to have (although the title is contained within >articleinfo tags as with the sample tutorial. Does it work with the example above? >Basically, what I want is a description of what the error message means - >ie, what does an element with a ? after it mean, ? optional 0 or 1 * 0 up to many + 1 or more > what do the brackets >means, what's compulsory? I expect there's a URL somewhere to tell me but >damned if I/Google can find it. Arcane I'm afraid. Its the DTD syntax, from the .....16th century, OK 1986. HTH DaveP From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Mon Feb 9 17:16:38 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 17:16:38 +0000 Subject: Need help deciphering a xmlto error message In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040207074127.02685e68@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040209171553.02683a88@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 02:33 09/02/2004, Mike MacCana wrote: >Actually, that did help. Didn't realize you meant to repalce all the >section with sect1s in the whole document - after I did that, the error >goes away. > >I guess it just wants me to be consistent - use section through the >document, or use sect1, but be consistent (before I was using section >unless I needed to nest a subsection)? Hey, its a machine :-) It does what you say, not what you want :-) Yes, consistent is good. regards DaveP From mikem at cyber.com.au Tue Feb 10 01:39:15 2004 From: mikem at cyber.com.au (Mike MacCana) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:39:15 +1100 (EST) Subject: Introductions and volunteering Message-ID: Hey folks, I'm Mike *waves*. I work in Melbourne Australia, dividing my time between Red Hat Asia Pacific (I'm an RHCX) and tech journalism (I've been a professional writer for about four years now, having written on Linux for PCAuthority, the Sydney Morning Herald, and Next before finding myself at Australian Personal Computer). Before I got poached by Red Hat, I wrote and trained my own Red Hat based System Administration course. The course itself is Open Sourced (well, FDLed) and you can check out the last beta version (written for Red Hat 9) at http://www.cyber.com.au/users/mikem/training/lna4/notes/html. I own copyright to the course, and plunder some of the ideas (particularly chapter 6) for other projects in future. So yeah, being a geek, with communication skills, who uses a particular Linux distribution and writes / trains on that distro professionally, the Fedora docs project has seriously piqued my interest. There's very few high quality, up to date, task based documentation projects for Linux and I'd like to be a part of one I'd like to volunteer to create tutorials on Web Serving (using Apache HTTPd) and Mail Serving (using Postfix, Dovecot, and SpamAssassin) initially, and could probably handle File Serving (with VSFTPd / NFS / Samba), DHCP, and DNS too. Mike __________________________________________________________________________ Mike MacCana Consultant RHCX, MCSE, MCP+I 0419 394 504 From ians at ask-4-it.co.uk Tue Feb 10 05:31:56 2004 From: ians at ask-4-it.co.uk (Ian Stuart) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 05:31:56 +0000 Subject: Boot from CD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076391116.8391.130.camel@askit01> Can anyone tell me why, after installing Fedora, I cannot boot from CD? This has happened on more than one machine. Thanks, Ian Stuart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux at bytebot.net Tue Feb 10 08:47:26 2004 From: linux at bytebot.net (Colin Charles) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:47:26 +0800 Subject: Boot from CD In-Reply-To: <1076391116.8391.130.camel@askit01> References: <1076391116.8391.130.camel@askit01> Message-ID: <1076402769.4784.12.camel@hermione> On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 13:31, Ian Stuart wrote: > Can anyone tell me why, after installing Fedora, I cannot boot from > CD? This has happened on more than one machine. Ian, Wrong list, try fedora-list at redhat.com Regards -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ http://fedoranews.org/colin/fnu/ - Fedora News Updates From al at xms.co.za Wed Feb 11 07:16:48 2004 From: al at xms.co.za (Andrew Lewis) Date: 11 Feb 2004 09:16:48 +0200 Subject: Anaconda Docs/RedHat Trademarks Message-ID: <1076483808.6310.37.camel@al.xms.co.za> One thing I would like to see provided by RedHat for the Anaconda customization guide is the location of all the RedHat trademarks in Fedora in need of removal, for use in modified distributions, so people can be sure not to accidentally invoke the wrath of the RedHat trademark lawyers.. -AL. From mikem at cyber.com.au Thu Feb 12 01:39:30 2004 From: mikem at cyber.com.au (Mike MacCana) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:39:30 +1100 (EST) Subject: Appropriate tags for service names and syslog facilties? Message-ID: Thanks guys, Mike __________________________________________________________________________ Mike MacCana Consultant RHCX, MCSE, MCP+I 0419 394 504 From ike_x24 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 08:58:47 2004 From: ike_x24 at yahoo.com (Ike AMD) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:58:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Boot from CD In-Reply-To: <1076391116.8391.130.camel@askit01> Message-ID: <20040212085847.6995.qmail@web41702.mail.yahoo.com> Stuart, You may want to check your boot order in the bios a,c,d c,d,a d,c,a If you are booting from hard disc before your cdrom drive that could be a problem. Isaac Ian Stuart wrote: Can anyone tell me why, after installing Fedora, I cannot boot from CD? This has happened on more than one machine. Thanks, Ian Stuart --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at frields.com Thu Feb 12 13:05:54 2004 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:05:54 -0500 Subject: Appropriate tags for service names and syslog facilties? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076591153.3779.23.camel@london.east.gov> I think you're looking for . Since there's nothing more appropriate, that's currently used not just for non-GUI apps, but also configuration file options and daemons like services. I would expect for now that you should use it for syslog facilities as well. If anyone wants to differ, please feel free. I do notice that a DocBook RFE at: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=564776&group_id=21935&atid=384107 suggests that the more proper way to do this is syslogd syslog kern.* That was the end of 2002, but a *really* quick check of the DocBook book doesn't reveal anything more appropriate. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From tfox at redhat.com Thu Feb 12 18:57:55 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:57:55 -0500 Subject: Anaconda Docs/RedHat Trademarks In-Reply-To: <1076483808.6310.37.camel@al.xms.co.za> References: <1076483808.6310.37.camel@al.xms.co.za> Message-ID: <1076612275.6110.49.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> Does this help? http://fedora.redhat.com/about/trademarks/guidelines/page4.html On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 02:16, Andrew Lewis wrote: > One thing I would like to see provided by RedHat for the Anaconda > customization guide is the location of all the RedHat trademarks in > Fedora in need of removal, for use in modified distributions, so people > can be sure not to accidentally invoke the wrath of the RedHat trademark > lawyers.. > > -AL. From tfox at redhat.com Thu Feb 12 19:00:24 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:00:24 -0500 Subject: Appropriate tags for service names and syslog facilties? In-Reply-To: <1076591153.3779.23.camel@london.east.gov> References: <1076591153.3779.23.camel@london.east.gov> Message-ID: <1076612424.6110.55.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> That is my take on it as well: http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/documentation-guide/s1-xml-tags-command.html At the end of this page, I started a list of items that should be tagged with the command tag, even though they aren't exactly commands. HTH, Tammy On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 08:05, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I think you're looking for . Since there's nothing more > appropriate, that's currently used not just for non-GUI apps, but also > configuration file options and daemons like services. I would expect for > now that you should use it for syslog facilities as well. If anyone > wants to differ, please feel free. > > I do notice that a DocBook RFE at: > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=564776&group_id=21935&atid=384107 > suggests that the more proper way to do this is > > syslogd > syslog > kern.* > > That was the end of 2002, but a *really* quick check of the DocBook book > doesn't reveal anything more appropriate. > > -- > Paul W. Frields, RHCE From tfox at redhat.com Thu Feb 12 19:02:58 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:02:58 -0500 Subject: Hi In-Reply-To: <1076310428.2035.9.camel@al.xms.co.za> References: <200402082304.i18N4In23196@mx2.redhat.com> <1076310428.2035.9.camel@al.xms.co.za> Message-ID: <1076612578.6110.59.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 02:07, Andrew Lewis wrote: > On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 01:28, tfox at redhat.com wrote: > > Mail transaction failed. Partial message is available. > > Note: http://spf.pobox.com helps. > > In this case you could also manually configure your MTA to reject mail > from redhat.com which isn't (unless, Tammy, you are, really, sending us > virii?). > No. ;-) Unfortunately, my email address is abused a lot because it is all over the Internet. Thanks for the website link. > This list is (and should stay?) reasonably low-volume enough that I > would think it could be moderated if some-one were inclined to moderate > it. > > Just some ideas. :) Excuse off-topic (list-related) message. :> > > -AL. From mikem at cyber.com.au Thu Feb 12 22:57:12 2004 From: mikem at cyber.com.au (Mike MacCana) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:57:12 +1100 (EST) Subject: Appropriate tags for service names and syslog facilties? In-Reply-To: <1076612424.6110.55.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Tammy Fox wrote: > That is my take on it as well: > > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/documentation-guide/s1-xml-tags-command.html > > At the end of this page, I started a list of items that should be tagged > with the command tag, even though they aren't exactly commands. Cheers. Want to add syslog facilities? Mike From joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us Fri Feb 13 01:35:54 2004 From: joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 20:35:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Anaconda Docs/RedHat Trademarks In-Reply-To: <1076483808.6310.37.camel@al.xms.co.za> Message-ID: On 11 Feb 2004, Andrew Lewis wrote: > One thing I would like to see provided by RedHat for the Anaconda > customization guide is the location of all the RedHat trademarks in > Fedora in need of removal, for use in modified distributions, so people > can be sure not to accidentally invoke the wrath of the RedHat trademark > lawyers.. > Its off the topic of docs, but someone patching anaconda to have some sort of config that is used to seed all of the company name and logo stuff, would probably fix this problem once and for all...james From rakesh_raja1 at rediffmail.com Fri Feb 13 08:51:17 2004 From: rakesh_raja1 at rediffmail.com (Rakesh) Date: 13 Feb 2004 08:51:17 -0000 Subject: pls delete my id from your list Message-ID: <20040213085117.726.qmail@webmail30.rediffmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at frields.com Fri Feb 13 13:02:28 2004 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:02:28 -0500 Subject: pls delete my id from your list In-Reply-To: <20040213085117.726.qmail@webmail30.rediffmail.com> References: <20040213085117.726.qmail@webmail30.rediffmail.com> Message-ID: <1076677347.4578.0.camel@london.east.gov> File your request at: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From kwade at redhat.com Fri Feb 13 21:01:34 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 13 Feb 2004 13:01:34 -0800 Subject: Appropriate tags for service names and syslog facilties? In-Reply-To: <1076591153.3779.23.camel@london.east.gov> References: <1076591153.3779.23.camel@london.east.gov> Message-ID: <1076706093.3539.6062.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 05:05, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I think you're looking for . Since there's nothing more > appropriate, that's currently used not just for non-GUI apps, but also > configuration file options and daemons like services. I would expect for > now that you should use it for syslog facilities as well. If anyone > wants to differ, please feel free. > > I do notice that a DocBook RFE at: > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=564776&group_id=21935&atid=384107 > suggests that the more proper way to do this is > > syslogd > syslog > kern.* > > That was the end of 2002, but a *really* quick check of the DocBook book > doesn't reveal anything more appropriate. Unfortunately, it also doesn't reveal these classes being added to . Even though Norm Walsh made the final comment in your above link, saying: "We'll add process, service, server, and daemon to class values. This isn't the perfect solution, but it's a short-term answer." Which sums up my feelings about it. I'm unhappy using for that which is not a command but in fact is an application launching a service thread. I'd like us to use these new attributes for , but it appears that they are not available[1]. Yet another XSL hack for the queue? We could follow Norm Walsh's short-term solution, with the plan to fix the XSL or incorporate in a long-term solution when it arrives. I mostly take that approach, except where the rendered format is too jarring and the stylesheet fix is non-trivial. There are times when you have to choose what looks best in HTML and PDF and leave "do it right" for another time. I'm not sure this is such a time. The reason for having correct tagging even when it makes no difference in the output you are using is because you need to remain accessible for future output formats. Imagine a stylesheet that renders a programming tutorial to Braille, grabbing s that include , , or and putting those directly to the Braille screen, with associated sets and s on a separate Braille screen. In other words, proper tagging supports accessibility. Since we are starting out from scratch with the Fedora docs project, this is an opportunity to "do it right" for DocBook in every way we can. - Karsten [1] Trying the new attributes with the DocBook in FC1 yields this in the HTML: The XML: This is a test of the various uses of <application>. Here is a class of daemon, this is a class of service, and these are regular command and application for comparison. The resulting HTML:

This is a test of the various uses of <application>. Here is a class of daemon, this is a class of service, and these are regular command and application for comparison.

Since I don't use HTML for email, I'll use a form of structured markup to show how the resulting HTML page looks in the Web browser: This is a test of the various uses of . Here is a class of b:daemon, this is a class of b:service, and these are regular tt:command and b:application for comparison. Summary: the attributes were ignored, and all rendered with the default stylesheet for , which is . The resulting HTML is not-jarring, although the daemon, service and application are all in boldface, with the command in fixed-width font. -- Karsten Wade : Tech Writer, RHCE : o: +1.831.466.9664 kwade at redhat.com : http://rhea.redhat.com/ : c: +1.831.818.9995 Red Hat Applications : WAF, CMS, Portal Server -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From tfox at redhat.com Wed Feb 18 04:28:44 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:28:44 -0500 Subject: Anaconda Docs/RedHat Trademarks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077078524.4139.242.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 20:35, James Olin Oden wrote: > On 11 Feb 2004, Andrew Lewis wrote: > > > One thing I would like to see provided by RedHat for the Anaconda > > customization guide is the location of all the RedHat trademarks in > > Fedora in need of removal, for use in modified distributions, so people > > can be sure not to accidentally invoke the wrath of the RedHat trademark > > lawyers.. > > > Its off the topic of docs, but someone patching anaconda to have some > sort of config that is used to seed all of the company name and logo > stuff, would probably fix this problem once and for all...james > Not a bad idea. Maybe you should bring it up on fedora-devel-list. Someone might just take your idea and implement it. Tammy From tfox at redhat.com Wed Feb 18 04:36:57 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:36:57 -0500 Subject: Appropriate tags for service names and syslog facilties? In-Reply-To: <1076706093.3539.6062.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1076591153.3779.23.camel@london.east.gov> <1076706093.3539.6062.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1077079017.4139.259.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 16:01, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 05:05, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > I think you're looking for . Since there's nothing more > > appropriate, that's currently used not just for non-GUI apps, but also > > configuration file options and daemons like services. I would expect for > > now that you should use it for syslog facilities as well. If anyone > > wants to differ, please feel free. > > > > I do notice that a DocBook RFE at: > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=564776&group_id=21935&atid=384107 > > suggests that the more proper way to do this is > > > > syslogd > > syslog > > kern.* > > > > That was the end of 2002, but a *really* quick check of the DocBook book > > doesn't reveal anything more appropriate. > > Unfortunately, it also doesn't reveal these classes being added to > . Even though Norm Walsh made the final comment in your > above link, saying: > > "We'll add process, service, server, and daemon to class values. > This isn't the perfect solution, but it's a short-term answer." > > Which sums up my feelings about it. I'm unhappy using for > that which is not a command but in fact is an application launching a > service thread. I'd like us to use these new attributes for > , but it appears that they are not available[1]. Yet > another XSL hack for the queue? > > We could follow Norm Walsh's short-term solution, with the plan to fix > the XSL or incorporate in a long-term solution when it arrives. I > mostly take that approach, except where the rendered format is too > jarring and the stylesheet fix is non-trivial. There are times when you > have to choose what looks best in HTML and PDF and leave "do it right" > for another time. I'm not sure this is such a time. > > The reason for having correct tagging even when it makes no difference > in the output you are using is because you need to remain accessible for > future output formats. Imagine a stylesheet that renders a programming > tutorial to Braille, grabbing s that include , > , or and putting those directly to the > Braille screen, with associated sets and s on a separate > Braille screen. In other words, proper tagging supports accessibility. > > Since we are starting out from scratch with the Fedora docs project, > this is an opportunity to "do it right" for DocBook in every way we can. > > - Karsten > > [1] Trying the new attributes with the DocBook in FC1 yields this in the > HTML: > > The XML: > > > This is a test of the various uses of <application>. Here is a > class of daemon, this is a > class of service, and these > are regular command and > application for comparison. > > > > The resulting HTML: >
> This is a test of the various uses of <application>. Here is a > class of daemon, this is a class of > service, and these are regular > command and application > for comparison. >
> > Since I don't use HTML for email, I'll use a form of structured markup > to show how the resulting HTML page looks in the Web browser: > > This is a test of the various uses of . Here is a class of > b:daemon, this is a class of b:service, and these are regular tt:command > and b:application for comparison. > > Summary: the attributes were ignored, and all rendered with the default > stylesheet for , which is . The > resulting HTML is not-jarring, although the daemon, service and > application are all in boldface, with the command in fixed-width font. > When I was in RH Docs, we had the command versus application debate many times over. ;-) Basically, my reasoning for ultimately deciding to use command tags for services, daemons, and the like was because I think of an application as something that has an interface other than the command line -- GUI or at least a TUI. If you use a class of an application, it gets marked as bold using our stylesheets instead of a mono font. I know DocBook is about removing yourself from the style, but you have to consider it as well. To the reader, IMO it is more fitting to use the same style for commands, services, daemons, etc. and leave the very noticeable bold style for application names such as Mozilla and GAIM. Of course, you could probably change the stylesheet to use bold for application tags with no class and a mono font for words tagged as an application with certain classes. My 2 cents, Tammy From mikem at cyber.com.au Wed Feb 18 04:47:54 2004 From: mikem at cyber.com.au (Mike MacCana) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:47:54 +1100 (EST) Subject: Appropriate tags for service names and syslog facilties? In-Reply-To: <1077079017.4139.259.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Tammy Fox wrote: > When I was in RH Docs, we had the command versus application debate many > times over. ;-) Basically, my reasoning for ultimately deciding to use > command tags for services, daemons, and the like was because I think of > an application as something that has an interface other than the command > line -- GUI or at least a TUI. service have an interface other than the command line. In each of the tutorials I'm writing, if there's an appropriate Red Hat GUI config tool for the service, I provide instructions on installing, configuring, enabling and starting the service graphically (as well as the standard command line method provided for all services). Hence you end up with something like: Start the httpd service and set it to start by default. Main Menu => System Settings => Services, select the httpd service and click Start to start the service (use Restart if it is already running). > IMO it is more fitting to use the > same style for commands, services, daemons, etc. To be honest I don't know why Red Hat even bothers using the word 'daemon'. It has too many meanings in Unix (some people use it descrive a Sys V service, others the binaries run by that service, others an application that has been backgrounded by any method). I find it best to avoid using the term 'daemon' completely. The only place where it still matters is TCP Wrappers, which is fast becoming irrelevant, due its limited application support and filtering capabilities. Mike From phil_labonte at sympatico.ca Sat Feb 21 20:07:45 2004 From: phil_labonte at sympatico.ca (Phil Labonte) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 15:07:45 -0500 Subject: What document or tutorial needs help? In-Reply-To: <1077393734.2438.2.camel@laptop> References: <1077393734.2438.2.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1077394065.2505.1.camel@laptop> Hi, I have installed Fedora and love it. I would like to contribute by writing some documentation. Either user guides or tutorials. I have checked out the documentation from the CVS server and now I would like to know what documentation needs attention. If you could let me know that would be great. Thanks. Phil Labonte Network and Data Administrator Epocal Inc. From nagaraj at 1care.org Sun Feb 22 06:39:50 2004 From: nagaraj at 1care.org (NAGARAJ) Date: 22 Feb 2004 06:39:50 -0000 Subject: : Please help Message-ID: <20040222063950.21469.qmail@bom1.enmail.com> hai in installed Fedora core 1 and configure LTSP clients on that. But one new feature that the fedora team included in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf is SCREEN SCRIPTS. I tried the screen scripts All are working fine shell;telnet;startx except the "rdesktop" I had given the SCREEN_01 = rdesktop 192.168.0.1 (which is a Terminal server supporting RDP) and SCREEN_02 = STARTX then after booting the clients I tried ctrl+alt+F1 I didn't get the rdesktop connetivity to Server (192.168.0.1) I am getting the following error: " Fatal Server Error: Server already active for display 0 It seems is no longer dispaly! Remove /tmp/.X0lock and start again" Then I removed the /tmp/.X0lock file . Still I am unable to get connectivity to RDP Server. I changed the Screen script from Screen01 to 04 and put rdesktop in one by one script still I am getting the above said error. Please help in this problem Thanks NAGARAJAN.C.H Senior Engineer FIRST SIGHT COMPUTING New Delhi http://www.firstsightcomputing.com http://www.1care.org E mail: nagaraj at 1care.org chnagaraj at firstsightcomputing.com ------------------------------------------------------------- From linux at bytebot.net Mon Feb 23 18:51:07 2004 From: linux at bytebot.net (Colin Charles) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 02:51:07 +0800 Subject: : Please help In-Reply-To: <20040222063950.21469.qmail@bom1.enmail.com> References: <20040222063950.21469.qmail@bom1.enmail.com> Message-ID: <1077562266.1514.229.camel@hermione> On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 14:39, NAGARAJ wrote: > hai > in installed Fedora core 1 and configure LTSP clients on that. Wrong list, try fedora-list at redhat.com. Thanks! -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ http://fedoranews.org/colin/fnu/ - Fedora News Updates From akbar501 at dslextreme.com Tue Feb 24 00:49:33 2004 From: akbar501 at dslextreme.com (Akbar S. Ahmed) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:49:33 -0800 Subject: Status of Anaconda Docs Project Message-ID: <403A9F9D.3000207@dslextreme.com> Hi, I just returned from my trip to India and was wondering about the current state of the Anaconda docs projects. I checked out the twiki page and everything looks very good. Have the docs been converted into docbook format? Thanks, Akbar From mikem at cyber.com.au Tue Feb 24 01:39:33 2004 From: mikem at cyber.com.au (Mike MacCana) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:39:33 +1100 (EST) Subject: Status of Anaconda Docs Project In-Reply-To: <403A9F9D.3000207@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Akbar S. Ahmed wrote: > Hi, > > I just returned from my trip to India and was wondering about the > current state of the Anaconda docs projects. I checked out the twiki > page and everything looks very good. > > Have the docs been converted into docbook format? What's the URL of the twiki page? Furthermore, could this be listed on the project site, along with the other recent volunteer efforts? Cheers, Mike (currently working on: mail serving with antispam and antivirus, web serving, proxy serving, file and print sharing via smb, file sharing via nfs, all while teaching an RH401 class and juggling chainsaws). From pantz at lqt.ca Tue Feb 24 15:31:02 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:31:02 -0500 Subject: Status of Anaconda Docs Project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403B6E36.6070702@lqt.ca> Mike MacCana wrote: >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Akbar S. Ahmed wrote: > > > >>Hi, >> >>I just returned from my trip to India and was wondering about the >>current state of the Anaconda docs projects. I checked out the twiki >>page and everything looks very good. >> >>Have the docs been converted into docbook format? >> >> No the doc hasn't been converted yet. Alexander Rau, Forrest Taylor and myself have been a bit busy the last couple of weeks so didn't really get time to work on the doc. There is just some cleaning up and verification left to do and hopefully I will get around to it this weekend ... After that we will have to hunt down some old mailing list friends to see if we can convince them to help get it formatted in to docbook ... > >What's the URL of the twiki page? > > http://rau.homedns.org/twiki/bin/view/Anaconda/WebHome >Furthermore, could this be listed on the project site, along with the >other recent volunteer efforts? > > yeah sure! go for it - the more the merrier! pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From plabonte at epocal.com Tue Feb 24 15:40:34 2004 From: plabonte at epocal.com (Phil Labonte) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:40:34 -0500 Subject: Which documents or tutorials should I work on? In-Reply-To: <403B6E36.6070702@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <014901c3faec$8ce85c90$1c0aa8c0@epocal.ca> I want to contribute to the documentation project. I have checked out the files from CVS and wanted to know how I can get assigned to a project to help out... Thanks. From pantz at lqt.ca Tue Feb 24 15:41:17 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:41:17 -0500 Subject: Which documents or tutorials should I work on? In-Reply-To: <014901c3faec$8ce85c90$1c0aa8c0@epocal.ca> References: <014901c3faec$8ce85c90$1c0aa8c0@epocal.ca> Message-ID: <403B709D.5030804@lqt.ca> Phil Labonte wrote: >I want to contribute to the documentation project. I have checked out >the files from CVS and wanted to know how I can get assigned to a >project to help out... > > > If you have had any experience with anaconda or creating a custom distro - head on over to http://rau.homedns.org/twiki/bin/view/Anaconda/WebHome and see what you can do. We hang out on irc.freenode.net, #anaconda-doc if you have any specific questions ... hope to see ya there pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Tue Feb 24 17:13:46 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:13:46 +0000 Subject: to-do list? Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040224171200.025e04e0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> /for those willing volunteers? It would be a big help if the redhat types here could provide/add to over time, a list of documents that would be helpful, are needed etc? I.e. a To Do list? We can all do bits, If rh can say what bits (big.... small chunks) need doing, we can chip in to make it happen? regards DaveP From tfox at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 02:26:53 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:26:53 -0500 Subject: to-do list? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040224171200.025e04e0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040224171200.025e04e0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <1077676013.4087.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 12:13, Dave Pawson wrote: > /for those willing volunteers? > > It would be a big help if the redhat types here > could provide/add to over time, > a list of documents that would be helpful, > are needed etc? > > I.e. a To Do list? > > We can all do bits, > If rh can say what bits (big.... small chunks) > need doing, we can chip in to make it happen? > regards DaveP As people email me asking for tutorials to write, I have been suggesting topics. The problem is that I don't hear back from most people after we agree on a topic. I will go through my email tomorrow and send out an email with a list of topics and volunteers. It would help if the volunteers could give a status report of their tutorial. If people don't respond, then we can assume that they changed their mind, and someone else can volunteer for that topic. Tammy From tfox at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 02:28:20 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:28:20 -0500 Subject: What document or tutorial needs help? In-Reply-To: <1077394065.2505.1.camel@laptop> References: <1077393734.2438.2.camel@laptop> <1077394065.2505.1.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1077676100.4087.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 15:07, Phil Labonte wrote: > Hi, > > I have installed Fedora and love it. I would like to contribute by > writing some documentation. Either user guides or tutorials. I have > checked out the documentation from the CVS server and now I would like > to know what documentation needs attention. > > If you could let me know that would be great. > > Thanks. > > Phil Labonte > Network and Data Administrator > Epocal Inc. Thanks for volunteering. I will send out a list of topics and writers tomorrow. If a status is not given on certains topics after a week, I am going to assume that the writer changed his/her mind. You can pick a topic from those or if none of those appeal to you, I'll help you think of a topic you are interested in writing. Cheers, Tammy From tfox at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 02:30:44 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:30:44 -0500 Subject: Appropriate tags for service names and syslog facilties? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077676243.4087.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-02-17 at 23:47, Mike MacCana wrote: > On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Tammy Fox wrote: > > > When I was in RH Docs, we had the command versus application debate many > > times over. ;-) Basically, my reasoning for ultimately deciding to use > > command tags for services, daemons, and the like was because I think of > > an application as something that has an interface other than the command > > line -- GUI or at least a TUI. > > service have an interface other than the command line. > Right, but those interface are applications or menu items and should be tagged accordingly. > In each of the tutorials I'm writing, if there's an appropriate Red Hat > GUI config tool for the service, I provide instructions on installing, > configuring, enabling and starting the service graphically (as well as the > standard command line method provided for all services). > > Hence you end up with something like: > > > Start the httpd service and set it to start by default. > Main Menu => > System Settings => > Services, select the httpd service > and click Start to start the service (use Restart if it is already running). > > In this instance, the menu item is HTTP and should be tagged as a guimenuitem. You are referring to the name of the menu item, not the actual service. > > IMO it is more fitting to use the > > same style for commands, services, daemons, etc. > > To be honest I don't know why Red Hat even bothers using the word > 'daemon'. It has too many meanings in Unix (some people use it descrive a > Sys V service, others the binaries run by that service, others an > application that has been backgrounded by any method). > > I find it best to avoid using the term 'daemon' completely. The only place > where it still matters is TCP Wrappers, which is fast becoming irrelevant, > due its limited application support and filtering capabilities. > > Mike From tfox at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 02:33:51 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:33:51 -0500 Subject: Which documents or tutorials should I work on? In-Reply-To: <014901c3faec$8ce85c90$1c0aa8c0@epocal.ca> References: <014901c3faec$8ce85c90$1c0aa8c0@epocal.ca> Message-ID: <1077676431.4087.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 10:40, Phil Labonte wrote: > I want to contribute to the documentation project. I have checked out > the files from CVS and wanted to know how I can get assigned to a > project to help out... > > Thanks. Please read over the list of tutorials/volunteers I send out tomorrow and volunteer for any topics that have been abandoned. Thanks, Tammy From tfox at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 02:46:21 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:46:21 -0500 Subject: Introductions and volunteering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077677181.4087.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 20:39, Mike MacCana wrote: > Hey folks, > > I'm Mike *waves*. I work in Melbourne Australia, dividing my time between > Red Hat Asia Pacific (I'm an RHCX) and tech journalism (I've been a > professional writer for about four years now, having written on Linux for > PCAuthority, the Sydney Morning Herald, and Next before finding myself at > Australian Personal Computer). > > Before I got poached by Red Hat, I wrote and trained my own Red Hat based > System Administration course. The course itself is Open Sourced (well, > FDLed) and you can check out the last beta version (written for Red Hat > 9) at http://www.cyber.com.au/users/mikem/training/lna4/notes/html. I own > copyright to the course, and plunder some of the ideas (particularly > chapter 6) for other projects in future. > > So yeah, being a geek, with communication skills, who uses a particular > Linux distribution and writes / trains on that distro professionally, the > Fedora docs project has seriously piqued my interest. There's very few > high quality, up to date, task based documentation projects for Linux and > I'd like to be a part of one > > I'd like to volunteer to create tutorials on Web Serving (using Apache > HTTPd) and Mail Serving (using Postfix, Dovecot, and SpamAssassin) > initially, and could probably handle File Serving (with VSFTPd / NFS / > Samba), DHCP, and DNS too. > > Mike > > __________________________________________________________________________ > Mike MacCana Consultant RHCX, MCSE, MCP+I > 0419 394 504 Sounds great Mike. Please read the Documentation Guide if you haven't already: http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/documentation-guide/ Also, be sure to use the template found in the example-tutorial/ directory in CVS. If you have any questions, please let us know. Tammy From tfox at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 02:54:39 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:54:39 -0500 Subject: recent website changes for docs Message-ID: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> 1. This has been updated to include a chapter on Emacs and nXML Mode thanks to Gavin Henry, a few other patches/suggestion, and an Index. I also added some brief information on how the index is auto-generated. There are probably other minor fixes as well I can't remember. I have started tagging the files in CVS as I create new versions, so next time I can send out exact diffs for those interested and so you don't have to read it all again to figure out the subtle changes. http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/documentation-guide/ 2. I posted the latest version of the Fedora Jargon Buster. It is in CVS as well, so patches and suggestions are welcome. Thanks to Dave for starting it! http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/jargon-buster/ 3. I posted the beginnings of an FAQ for the Docs Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/documentation-faq/ I hope to start working on the Installation Guide and a "Quick Start" guide for getting started with the docs project this week as well. Regards, Tammy From tfox at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 02:54:08 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:54:08 -0500 Subject: Online book on DocBook XSL Message-ID: <1077677648.4087.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> FYI, I came across this today thanks to Tim Waugh, and thought I would pass it along to those interested: http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/ Cheers, Tammy From mikem at cyber.com.au Wed Feb 25 03:15:50 2004 From: mikem at cyber.com.au (Mike MacCana) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:15:50 +1100 (EST) Subject: Appropriate tags for service names and syslog facilties? In-Reply-To: <1077676243.4087.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Tammy Fox wrote: > On Tue, 2004-02-17 at 23:47, Mike MacCana wrote: > > > In each of the tutorials I'm writing, if there's an appropriate Red Hat > > GUI config tool for the service, I provide instructions on installing, > > configuring, enabling and starting the service graphically (as well as the > > standard command line method provided for all services). > > > > Hence you end up with something like: > > > > > > Start the httpd service and set it to start by default. > > Main Menu => > > System Settings => > > Services, select the httpd service > > and click Start to start the service (use Restart if it is already running). > > > > > > In this instance, the menu item is HTTP and should be tagged as a > guimenuitem. You are referring to the name of the menu item, not the > actual service. That's correct - I should have used a better example: 'The service name for Samba is smb' Here we're clearly not referring to command line applications or graphical interfaces - but simply telling people what the service for a particular application is. I;'m not really too fussed about this, but I hope you can see the point that it would be nice to have a specific markup for a service. Mike From tfox at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 03:42:34 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:42:34 -0500 Subject: Appropriate tags for service names and syslog facilties? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077680554.4087.93.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 22:15, Mike MacCana wrote: > On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Tammy Fox wrote: > > > On Tue, 2004-02-17 at 23:47, Mike MacCana wrote: > > > > > In each of the tutorials I'm writing, if there's an appropriate Red Hat > > > GUI config tool for the service, I provide instructions on installing, > > > configuring, enabling and starting the service graphically (as well as the > > > standard command line method provided for all services). > > > > > > Hence you end up with something like: > > > > > > > > > Start the httpd service and set it to start by default. > > > Main Menu => > > > System Settings => > > > Services, select the httpd service > > > and click Start to start the service (use Restart if it is already running). > > > > > > > > > > In this instance, the menu item is HTTP and should be tagged as a > > guimenuitem. You are referring to the name of the menu item, not the > > actual service. > > That's correct - I should have used a better example: > > 'The service name for Samba is smb' > > Here we're clearly not referring to command line applications or graphical > interfaces - but simply telling people what the service for a particular > application is. > > I;'m not really too fussed about this, but I hope you can see the point > that it would be nice to have a specific markup for a service. > > Mike Sure. I agreed that we need a service tag as well as many others such as directive for configuration file options as opposed to the option tag which is only supposed to be used for options to command line utilities. Tammy From tfox at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 03:45:03 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:45:03 -0500 Subject: current list of volunteers/topics Message-ID: <1077680702.4087.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> OK, so I said I would send this out tomorrow, but I finished it early. Please respond as soon as possible with your status. If you do not respond after a week, I will assign the topic to someone else. Next week, I will also post this list to the website. Thanks, Tammy Anaconda docs http://rau.homedns.org/twiki/bin/view/Anaconda/WebHome Also volunteered to write anaconda docs: (maybe the 2 of you could help with the existing Anaconda docs project) rahul sharma Paul Nasrat ============================================================ Volunteered for topic(s): fprimex Dual booting and grub/lilo configuration Dual display configurations (xinerama or nvidia's twinview) laptop specific configurations Setting up passwordless ssh between Linux/Mac OS X/Windows computers Setting up/using a number of mathematics programs (R, Maple, Octave, etc) Installing custom style files and using LaTeX (teTeX) Metworking (from a desktop users perspective) Gary Travis Roberts setting up a firewall setting up networking both with a network card and through an ISP Christian Huegel christian.huegel at redhatforum.net installation of a SSH server with public/private key authentication Brian Hankins Configuring and using digital cameras James Davis series of Securing Fedora tutorials for example, Security through installation and firstboot Joost Soeterbroek Keeping Fedora updated with Yum Mike MacCana Web Serving (using Apache httpd) Mail Serving (using Postfix, Dovecot, and SpamAssassin) File Serving (with VSFTPd / NFS /Samba) DHCP DNS Charles Curley Yum (already done, just needs to send to me) Martin How do I get all the latest stuff for Fedora using apt/yum? (http://www.xades.com/proj/fedora_repos.html) just needs FDL to be able to put on Fedora website Bruce Martin Wireless / PDA configs Jeremy Heilman Postfix Aaron M. Epps How to setup a Samba Server (Cover Network Browsing, The new GUI config tools, Interoperability w/Windows PC's, Firewall Config, etc...) some tutorials on all the new config tools config files/etc ============================================================ Any topic: Charles Brule Craig Lang Telmo Filipe Tavares da Silva Mike Sweeney Sean D. Matthews Stacy Pennington Ed Stoudenmire Bob Bevill Phil Labonte From mikem at cyber.com.au Wed Feb 25 04:09:36 2004 From: mikem at cyber.com.au (Mike MacCana) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:09:36 +1100 (EST) Subject: Active tutorials Message-ID: I've published the tutorials I'm currently working on at: www.cyber.com.au/users/mikem/fedora-docs This includes: DNS Serving DHCP Serving Mail Serving Web Serving Windows File Serving Secure FTP Serving Proxy Serving NFS Serving They're in progress, so expect that they're missing stuff, but they should provide you with a good idea of where things are going. Cheers, Mike -- __________________________________________________________________________ Mike MacCana Consultant RHCX, MCSE, MCP+I 0419 394 504 From mikem at cyber.com.au Wed Feb 25 04:15:06 2004 From: mikem at cyber.com.au (Mike MacCana) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:15:06 +1100 (EST) Subject: Active tutorials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, Mike MacCana wrote: > I've published the tutorials I'm currently working on Or will have once ther server has finished updating - should be less than fifteen minutes. Mike From fedorannounce at pech.cz Wed Feb 25 12:09:09 2004 From: fedorannounce at pech.cz (Jirka PECH) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:09:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: current list of volunteers/topics In-Reply-To: <1077680702.4087.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1077680702.4087.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3125.193.86.239.199.1077710949.squirrel@193.86.239.199> Jirka Pech Installing Oracle Database 8iR3 on FC1 thx. Jirka Pech From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Wed Feb 25 12:31:23 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:31:23 +0000 Subject: to-do list? In-Reply-To: <1077676013.4087.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040224171200.025e04e0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1077676013.4087.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040225122950.025f5530@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 02:26 25/02/2004, Tammy Fox wrote: >As people email me asking for tutorials to write, I have been suggesting >topics. The problem is that I don't hear back from most people after we >agree on a topic. I will go through my email tomorrow and send out an >email with a list of topics and volunteers. It would help if the >volunteers could give a status report of their tutorial. If people don't >respond, then we can assume that they changed their mind, and someone >else can volunteer for that topic. Unsure how it would be received, but if I saw, on the docs webpage somewhere, topic X, Dave Pawson (started 1.1.04) Then I'd be tempted to assume it was still down to me? What do others think? regards DaveP From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Wed Feb 25 12:39:29 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:39:29 +0000 Subject: Documentation request and offer. In-Reply-To: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040225123300.025f5678@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 02:54 25/02/2004, Tammy Fox wrote: >I hope to start working on the Installation Guide and a "Quick Start" >guide for getting started with the docs project this week as well. Another documentation request please. Fedora blew up on me last night, too slow with the up2date net responses. Never mind. Re-install was all I could think of. I made a note of the steps to get back online after an idiot install, no options taken, then setting up the network to get web access via my setup. I'll write it up, though it will need lots of alternatives for different kinds of net access. Mines 'dumb' insofar as it has fixed ip, router access to an adsl connection, so its probably the easiest one to configure! article root element? The bit I was missing, and DV from RH kindly gave me again. The url of the yum servers, to pick one that isn't quite as busy. http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html Or for others as senile as I -) http://fedora.redhat.com/ downloads mirrors From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Wed Feb 25 12:42:37 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:42:37 +0000 Subject: Online book on DocBook XSL In-Reply-To: <1077677648.4087.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1077677648.4087.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040225124019.025b9d30@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 02:54 25/02/2004, Tammy Fox wrote: >FYI, I came across this today thanks to Tim Waugh, and thought I would >pass it along to those interested: > >http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/ Great piece of work Tammy. Caution: If its to be used, then you could be in for a nightmare hacking the inputs? Bob is the fount of knowledge on customisation, and if it leaves the author looking great with his/her customisation, it may not be so happy in the fedora colors? Just a thought. But people can buy the book from O'Reilly, read it online, even ask the author on the docbook-apps list :-) He covers catalogs, xinclude, tool setup all sorts of things. regards DaveP From tfox at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 15:18:44 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:18:44 -0500 Subject: Documentation request and offer. In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040225123300.025f5678@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6.0.1.1.2.20040225123300.025f5678@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <1077722323.6062.1.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 07:39, Dave Pawson wrote: > At 02:54 25/02/2004, Tammy Fox wrote: > > >I hope to start working on the Installation Guide and a "Quick Start" > >guide for getting started with the docs project this week as well. > > > Another documentation request please. > > Fedora blew up on me last night, too slow with the up2date > net responses. > Never mind. > Re-install was all I could think of. > > I made a note of the steps to get back online after an idiot > install, no options taken, then setting up the network > to get web access via my setup. > > I'll write it up, though it will need lots of alternatives > for different kinds of net access. > Mines 'dumb' insofar as it has fixed ip, router access > to an adsl connection, so its probably the easiest one > to configure! > > article root element? > > or as a chapter. All Fedora docs should be articles except the Installation Guide, since it will be lengthy. What about adding this information as a chapter in a Troubleshooting section of the IG? Tammy > > The bit I was missing, and DV from RH kindly gave me again. > The url of the yum servers, to pick one that isn't quite > as busy. > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html > > Or for others as senile as I -) > http://fedora.redhat.com/ > downloads > mirrors > > From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Wed Feb 25 15:50:28 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:50:28 +0000 Subject: Documentation request and offer. In-Reply-To: <1077722323.6062.1.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6.0.1.1.2.20040225123300.025f5678@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1077722323.6062.1.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040225154901.026a8738@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 15:18 25/02/2004, you wrote: >or as a chapter. All Fedora docs should be articles except the >Installation Guide, since it will be lengthy. What about adding this >information as a chapter in a Troubleshooting section of the IG? ok, Will do, if I ever get up2date to work. No matter which server I choose, it hangs on the same file! I'm still running the 1.0 distro :-) Wait till 2.0 is past beta before downloading? regards DaveP From forrestx.taylor at intel.com Wed Feb 25 17:11:31 2004 From: forrestx.taylor at intel.com (Taylor, ForrestX) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:11:31 -0800 Subject: current list of volunteers/topics In-Reply-To: <1077680702.4087.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1077680702.4087.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1077729091.16623.2.camel@bad.jf.intel.com> On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 19:45, Tammy Fox wrote: > OK, so I said I would send this out tomorrow, but I finished it early. > Please respond as soon as possible with your status. If you do not > respond after a week, I will assign the topic to someone else. I have an OpenOffice.org document about setting up LVM post-install. I don't know if this is still relevant because it is LVM1 (whereas Fedora Core 2 has LVM2, although it is LVM1 compatible). Forrest From alak1986 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 25 18:06:57 2004 From: alak1986 at hotmail.com (Ale Guerrez) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:06:57 +0000 Subject: Sata with Fedora Message-ID: Hi, I want to install fedora core 1.b on my sata hd maxtor 120 gb. The problem is that Fedora can't find my hd; how can I do for install fedora on a sata hd?My motherboard is a asus p4v800-x with via chipset. Thanks to all _________________________________________________________________ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ From arau at schleese.com Wed Feb 25 18:57:08 2004 From: arau at schleese.com (Alexander Rau (work)) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:57:08 -0500 Subject: current list of volunteers/topics In-Reply-To: <1077680702.4087.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Tammy: Anaconda docs project (http://rau.homedns.org/twiki/bin/view/Anaconda/WebHome) is in its final stages. We are in the process of walking through the doc step by step to remove any bugs. This should be done by March 8th. Then conversion to docbook volunteers are needed to format the doc. Thanks AR -----Original Message----- From: fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Fox Sent: 24 February 2004 22:45 To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Subject: current list of volunteers/topics OK, so I said I would send this out tomorrow, but I finished it early. Please respond as soon as possible with your status. If you do not respond after a week, I will assign the topic to someone else. Next week, I will also post this list to the website. Thanks, Tammy Anaconda docs http://rau.homedns.org/twiki/bin/view/Anaconda/WebHome Also volunteered to write anaconda docs: (maybe the 2 of you could help with the existing Anaconda docs project) rahul sharma Paul Nasrat From forrestx.taylor at intel.com Wed Feb 25 19:30:23 2004 From: forrestx.taylor at intel.com (Taylor, ForrestX) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:30:23 -0800 Subject: Sata with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077737423.16623.50.camel@bad.jf.intel.com> On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 10:06, Ale Guerrez wrote: > Hi, > I want to install fedora core 1.b on my sata hd maxtor 120 gb. > The problem is that Fedora can't find my hd; how can I do for install fedora > on a sata hd?My motherboard is a asus p4v800-x with via chipset. Wrong list. Take this to the fedora-list, not the fedora-docs-list. Now, about the problem, try changing the SATA to legacy in the BIOS to see if that helps the installation. If it does, try installing, and then turn it back to SATA after installation. If legacy doesn't help, then your SATA chipset is not supported. Forrest From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Wed Feb 25 20:11:54 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:11:54 +0000 Subject: current list of volunteers/topics In-Reply-To: References: <1077680702.4087.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040225201130.026bd158@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 18:57 25/02/2004, you wrote: >Tammy: > >Anaconda docs project >(http://rau.homedns.org/twiki/bin/view/Anaconda/WebHome) is in its final >stages. We are in the process of walking through the doc step by step to >remove any bugs. > >This should be done by March 8th. > >Then conversion to docbook volunteers are needed to format the doc. What format is it in now please? regards DaveP From arau at schleese.com Wed Feb 25 20:25:56 2004 From: arau at schleese.com (Alexander Rau (work)) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:25:56 -0500 Subject: current list of volunteers/topics In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040225201130.026bd158@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: It is in a TWIKI format Hope this helps. AR -----Original Message----- From: fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dave Pawson Sent: 25 February 2004 15:12 To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Subject: RE: current list of volunteers/topics At 18:57 25/02/2004, you wrote: >Tammy: > >Anaconda docs project >(http://rau.homedns.org/twiki/bin/view/Anaconda/WebHome) is in its final >stages. We are in the process of walking through the doc step by step to >remove any bugs. > >This should be done by March 8th. > >Then conversion to docbook volunteers are needed to format the doc. What format is it in now please? regards DaveP -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Wed Feb 25 21:01:48 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:01:48 +0000 Subject: current list of volunteers/topics In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040225201130.026bd158@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040225210121.026978f0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 20:25 25/02/2004, you wrote: >It is in a TWIKI format I was just trying to find out how much work it would be to convert to docbook! regards DaveP From gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk Thu Feb 26 16:13:38 2004 From: gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk (Gavin Henry) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:13:38 +0000 Subject: recent website changes for docs In-Reply-To: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200402261613.45694.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 25 February 2004 02:54, Tammy Fox wrote: > 1. This has been updated to include a chapter on Emacs and nXML Mode > thanks to Gavin Henry, a few other patches/suggestion, and an Index. I > also added some brief information on how the index is auto-generated. > There are probably other minor fixes as well I can't remember. I have > started tagging the files in CVS as I create new versions, so next time > I can send out exact diffs for those interested and so you don't have to > read it all again to figure out the subtle changes. > > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/documentation-guide/ > > 2. I posted the latest version of the Fedora Jargon Buster. It is in CVS > as well, so patches and suggestions are welcome. Thanks to Dave for > starting it! > > http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/jargon-buster/ > > 3. I posted the beginnings of an FAQ for the Docs Project: > > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/documentation-faq/ > > I hope to start working on the Installation Guide and a "Quick Start" > guide for getting started with the docs project this week as well. > > Regards, > Tammy Great!! I had been wondering when this would come out. I am just about to read over the tutorial list and see what else I can do. Can I just remind everyone that we have contributors section over on http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/contributors , so if anyone has some smaller howto's etc. that they feel should be included, or they want to release something now, rather than wait for it to be included in the docs project, just e-mail me and I will tag it up and post it. Cheers. - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAPhs1gNqd7Kng8UoRAsrzAJ9LGJqOByJ7IqdrflhVf3YZK0njnQCePOZC hnLfATJFgYB1OwDQ7jgWdcY= =2ID/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk Thu Feb 26 16:16:17 2004 From: gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk (Gavin Henry) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:16:17 +0000 Subject: Documentation request and offer. In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040225123300.025f5678@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6.0.1.1.2.20040225123300.025f5678@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <200402261616.20667.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 25 February 2004 12:39, Dave Pawson wrote: > At 02:54 25/02/2004, Tammy Fox wrote: > >I hope to start working on the Installation Guide and a "Quick Start" > >guide for getting started with the docs project this week as well. > > Another documentation request please. > > Fedora blew up on me last night, too slow with the up2date > net responses. > Never mind. > Re-install was all I could think of. If only you had seen :-) http://fedoranews.org/tchung/howto/2003-11-15-yum-404.shtml > > I made a note of the steps to get back online after an idiot > install, no options taken, then setting up the network > to get web access via my setup. > > I'll write it up, though it will need lots of alternatives > for different kinds of net access. > Mines 'dumb' insofar as it has fixed ip, router access > to an adsl connection, so its probably the easiest one > to configure! > > article root element? > > > > The bit I was missing, and DV from RH kindly gave me again. > The url of the yum servers, to pick one that isn't quite > as busy. > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html > > Or for others as senile as I -) > http://fedora.redhat.com/ > downloads > mirrors - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAPhvSgNqd7Kng8UoRAts5AJ9PIZiU/mkRNag3r9OcCmGwdN/UWwCePOXE mMLM4gYYl84GlBTBGqmwwgA= =SZmb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk Thu Feb 26 16:19:43 2004 From: gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk (Gavin Henry) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:19:43 +0000 Subject: current list of volunteers/topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402261619.45871.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 25 February 2004 18:57, Alexander Rau (work) wrote: > Tammy: > > Anaconda docs project > (http://rau.homedns.org/twiki/bin/view/Anaconda/WebHome) is in its final > stages. We are in the process of walking through the doc step by step to > remove any bugs. > > This should be done by March 8th. > > Then conversion to docbook volunteers are needed to format the doc. > I would be happy to help. - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAPhyfgNqd7Kng8UoRAsHlAJsHQBGLtyJqanwLg457nOet96LAeQCeOclr wAcQTYhOBxDMfQN+9rW8jDc= =dECw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk Thu Feb 26 16:22:53 2004 From: gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk (Gavin Henry) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:22:53 +0000 Subject: current list of volunteers/topics In-Reply-To: <1077680702.4087.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1077680702.4087.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200402261622.56071.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 25 February 2004 03:45, Tammy Fox wrote: > OK, so I said I would send this out tomorrow, but I finished it early. > Please respond as soon as possible with your status. If you do not > respond after a week, I will assign the topic to someone else. > > Next week, I will also post this list to the website. > What about one on Amanda (http://www.amanda.org) and grsecurity (http://www.grsecurity.net) with a vanilla kernel? - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAPh1dgNqd7Kng8UoRAt1MAKCpeHZtwhkd9Dz9+sDcwbmzsgCkbgCgkvqD BacjKg4Xemo4wNG5jG4JvDc= =CzK9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tfox at redhat.com Thu Feb 26 16:29:24 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:29:24 -0500 Subject: recent website changes for docs In-Reply-To: <200402261613.45694.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200402261613.45694.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> Message-ID: <1077812964.6071.5.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 11:13, Gavin Henry wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wednesday 25 February 2004 02:54, Tammy Fox wrote: > > 1. This has been updated to include a chapter on Emacs and nXML Mode > > thanks to Gavin Henry, a few other patches/suggestion, and an Index. I > > also added some brief information on how the index is auto-generated. > > There are probably other minor fixes as well I can't remember. I have > > started tagging the files in CVS as I create new versions, so next time > > I can send out exact diffs for those interested and so you don't have to > > read it all again to figure out the subtle changes. > > > > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/documentation-guide/ > > > > 2. I posted the latest version of the Fedora Jargon Buster. It is in CVS > > as well, so patches and suggestions are welcome. Thanks to Dave for > > starting it! > > > > http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/jargon-buster/ > > > > 3. I posted the beginnings of an FAQ for the Docs Project: > > > > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/documentation-faq/ > > > > I hope to start working on the Installation Guide and a "Quick Start" > > guide for getting started with the docs project this week as well. > > > > Regards, > > Tammy > > Great!! I had been wondering when this would come out. > > I am just about to read over the tutorial list and see what else I can do. > > Can I just remind everyone that we have contributors section over on > http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/contributors , so if anyone has some smaller howto's > etc. that they feel should be included, or they want to release something > now, rather than wait for it to be included in the docs project, just e-mail > me and I will tag it up and post it. > Which brings up a good point... A few people have asked if the howtos on fedoranews.org and the official Fedora docs projects could be combined. It seems like the goal is the same, but the files are on different servers and different formats. It would be ideal and easier on the people looking for information for all the inforamation to be in one location. Any thoughts? Tammy > Cheers. > > - -- > Kind Regards, > Gavin Henry. > > http://www.magicfx.co.uk > http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry > http://www.suretecsystems.com > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAPhs1gNqd7Kng8UoRAsrzAJ9LGJqOByJ7IqdrflhVf3YZK0njnQCePOZC > hnLfATJFgYB1OwDQ7jgWdcY= > =2ID/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk Thu Feb 26 16:37:07 2004 From: gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk (Gavin Henry) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:37:07 +0000 Subject: recent website changes for docs In-Reply-To: <1077812964.6071.5.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200402261613.45694.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> <1077812964.6071.5.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200402261637.10069.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Which brings up a good point... > > A few people have asked if the howtos on fedoranews.org and the official > Fedora docs projects could be combined. It seems like the goal is the > same, but the files are on different servers and different formats. It > would be ideal and easier on the people looking for information for all > the inforamation to be in one location. Any thoughts? > > Tammy > I think this might be good for the big ones, but I can't see how we can keep the fedora-docs ones as up-to-date, as we will need you to manual submit them via cvs etc. I think this might be possible when redhat sorts out this kind of access, but until then it is much easier to up date our own. We also have very diverse subjects. How would this be handled? Maybe you could mirror us ;-) What sort of politics would be involved with this anyway? - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAPiCzgNqd7Kng8UoRAmZgAKCER/EVXK9tn+lPrSoFAQitRZ+M0wCgwOrv sL6G8pQYpolyXNzMFv4EWwM= =413X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From arau at schleese.com Thu Feb 26 16:53:31 2004 From: arau at schleese.com (Alexander Rau (work)) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:53:31 -0500 Subject: current list of volunteers/topics In-Reply-To: <200402261619.45871.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> Message-ID: Gavin: I am hosting the anaconda-doc twiki. I don't know much about docbook conversion, so if you need any assistance to access the files let me know. AR -----Original Message----- From: fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Gavin Henry Sent: 26 February 2004 11:20 To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: current list of volunteers/topics -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 25 February 2004 18:57, Alexander Rau (work) wrote: > Tammy: > > Anaconda docs project > (http://rau.homedns.org/twiki/bin/view/Anaconda/WebHome) is in its final > stages. We are in the process of walking through the doc step by step to > remove any bugs. > > This should be done by March 8th. > > Then conversion to docbook volunteers are needed to format the doc. > I would be happy to help. - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAPhyfgNqd7Kng8UoRAsHlAJsHQBGLtyJqanwLg457nOet96LAeQCeOclr wAcQTYhOBxDMfQN+9rW8jDc= =dECw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Thu Feb 26 17:18:38 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:18:38 +0000 Subject: Documentation request and offer. In-Reply-To: <200402261616.20667.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6.0.1.1.2.20040225123300.025f5678@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <200402261616.20667.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040226171737.026b6928@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 16:16 26/02/2004, Gavin Henry wrote: >If only you had seen :-) > >http://fedoranews.org/tchung/howto/2003-11-15-yum-404.shtml But you *are* planning to mark it as docbook.... :-) Arn't you Gavin? From gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk Thu Feb 26 17:52:05 2004 From: gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk (Gavin Henry) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:52:05 +0000 Subject: Documentation request and offer. In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040226171737.026b6928@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200402261616.20667.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> <6.0.1.1.2.20040226171737.026b6928@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <200402261752.10989.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 26 February 2004 17:18, Dave Pawson wrote: > At 16:16 26/02/2004, Gavin Henry wrote: > >If only you had seen :-) > > > >http://fedoranews.org/tchung/howto/2003-11-15-yum-404.shtml > > But you *are* planning to mark it as docbook.... :-) > Arn't you Gavin? If you would like ;-) - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAPjJIgNqd7Kng8UoRAiTHAKCBBjN5l5lppmfxTtScrn53ZT09SACfTSwJ BuYK/064FJQbDFp4+LVdKnE= =7KWm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk Thu Feb 26 17:53:14 2004 From: gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk (Gavin Henry) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:53:14 +0000 Subject: current list of volunteers/topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402261753.17122.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 26 February 2004 16:53, Alexander Rau (work) wrote: > Gavin: > > I am hosting the anaconda-doc twiki. > > I don't know much about docbook conversion, so if you need any assistance > to access the files let me know. > > AR I will take a look :-) - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAPjKKgNqd7Kng8UoRAuw9AKCFu5zki3cVf2hR2UnBIqpowa2o4ACgokGV 8yrh6/5m5ECwqc4Q7+gVcmY= =e/gX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk Thu Feb 26 22:56:40 2004 From: gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk (Gavin Henry) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:56:40 +0000 Subject: recent website changes for docs In-Reply-To: <200402261637.10069.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1077812964.6071.5.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> <200402261637.10069.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> Message-ID: <200402262256.45530.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 One last thing, Since we use your css, is there anyway of tagging our howtos in such a way as too convert the html back to docbock? They are written in html, but it is just a thought, as this would save converting the whole lot. - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAPnmrgNqd7Kng8UoRAnRAAJ0esauTw4x6NYOYY7iZ0Db2vc0slwCg1mC2 rEISw3wezFUGIzbjthM1q/8= =lwXx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pipo at alles.or.jp Thu Feb 26 23:23:21 2004 From: pipo at alles.or.jp (Shuji Urano) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:23:21 +0900 Subject: Fedora Core 1 disk 2 FAILED! Message-ID: <014701c3fcbf$86a0bce0$0200a8c0@my> Hi Guys. I wrote the ISO images to the CD-R. Then I install Fedora Core 1 into my machine. But installation failed at the disk 2. Systemmessage tells me that package is broken. Do you have any sugestion? Shuji Urano -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dsalinux at cox.net Fri Feb 27 04:21:40 2004 From: dsalinux at cox.net (Darrin Auxier) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:21:40 -0600 Subject: to-do list? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040225122950.025f5530@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040224171200.025e04e0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1077676013.4087.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6.0.1.1.2.20040225122950.025f5530@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <403EC5D4.8060909@cox.net> Dave Pawson wrote: > At 02:26 25/02/2004, Tammy Fox wrote: > >> As people email me asking for tutorials to write, I have been suggesting >> topics. The problem is that I don't hear back from most people after we >> agree on a topic. I will go through my email tomorrow and send out an >> email with a list of topics and volunteers. It would help if the >> volunteers could give a status report of their tutorial. If people don't >> respond, then we can assume that they changed their mind, and someone >> else can volunteer for that topic. > > > Unsure how it would be received, > but if I saw, on the docs webpage somewhere, > > topic X, Dave Pawson (started 1.1.04) > > Then I'd be tempted to assume it was still down to me? > > What do others think? > > regards DaveP > > > > Good idea, I like the status report requirement too. Nothing stringent, just a "still working on it" if nothing else. If I was working on a topic and I got hit by a bus, somehow I doubt that my family's first thought would be "we need to alert the Fedora List" There are a million other reasons why someone might stop (or delay) work on their project, and this would allow someone else to pick up if need be. So, if there is no status update after then that topic would be up for grabs. Some sort of communication attempt prior to reassigning it would be good manners. From tfox at redhat.com Fri Feb 27 06:37:58 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:37:58 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 disk 2 FAILED! In-Reply-To: <014701c3fcbf$86a0bce0$0200a8c0@my> References: <014701c3fcbf$86a0bce0$0200a8c0@my> Message-ID: <1077863878.9412.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Did you use mediacheck to make sure your CD is valid? Also, this is the wrong list. You should be asking this question on fedora-list. Tammy On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 18:23, Shuji Urano wrote: > Hi Guys. > > I wrote the ISO images to the CD-R. > Then I install Fedora Core 1 into my machine. > But installation failed at the disk 2. > Systemmessage tells me that package is broken. > Do you have any sugestion? > > Shuji Urano From tfox at redhat.com Fri Feb 27 06:39:41 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:39:41 -0500 Subject: to-do list? In-Reply-To: <403EC5D4.8060909@cox.net> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040224171200.025e04e0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1077676013.4087.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6.0.1.1.2.20040225122950.025f5530@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <403EC5D4.8060909@cox.net> Message-ID: <1077863981.9412.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 23:21, Darrin Auxier wrote: > Dave Pawson wrote: > > > At 02:26 25/02/2004, Tammy Fox wrote: > > > >> As people email me asking for tutorials to write, I have been suggesting > >> topics. The problem is that I don't hear back from most people after we > >> agree on a topic. I will go through my email tomorrow and send out an > >> email with a list of topics and volunteers. It would help if the > >> volunteers could give a status report of their tutorial. If people don't > >> respond, then we can assume that they changed their mind, and someone > >> else can volunteer for that topic. > > > > > > Unsure how it would be received, > > but if I saw, on the docs webpage somewhere, > > > > topic X, Dave Pawson (started 1.1.04) > > > > Then I'd be tempted to assume it was still down to me? > > > > What do others think? > > > > regards DaveP > > > > > > > > > Good idea, I like the status report requirement too. Nothing stringent, > just a "still working on it" if nothing else. > If I was working on a topic and I got hit by a bus, somehow I doubt that > my family's first thought would be "we need to alert the Fedora List" > There are a million other reasons why someone might stop (or delay) work > on their project, and this would allow someone else to pick up if need be. > So, if there is no status update after > then that topic would be up for grabs. > Some sort of communication attempt prior to reassigning it would be good > manners. Sure. I am working on a format for the list as well as the best format to put it in to make it easy to maintain. Tammy From gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk Fri Feb 27 15:27:55 2004 From: gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk (Gavin Henry) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:27:55 +0000 Subject: Thoughts on Squid article Message-ID: <200402271528.03937.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.suretecsystems.com/docs/proxy-guide-en/ - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAP2IBgNqd7Kng8UoRAnJHAJ9Sxq6phYPtSnr5sOmZ4wVOm49DHQCfTAuQ FNi0O+Ece+DntOxbs8x36pE= =P6FK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Fri Feb 27 19:15:22 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:15:22 +0000 Subject: recent website changes for docs In-Reply-To: <200402262256.45530.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1077812964.6071.5.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> <200402261637.10069.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> <200402262256.45530.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040227191213.026d2d88@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 22:56 26/02/2004, Gavin Henry wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >One last thing, > >Since we use your css, is there anyway of tagging our howtos in such a way as >too convert the html back to docbock? > >They are written in html, but it is just a thought, as this would save >converting the whole lot. Write them in XML in the first place Is this something about grandma and eggs? That's why (some people) write in XML in the first place. I'm trying not to sound 'told you so' ish. I don't think its working. My only other suggestion is to chunk the source into tiny bits, then use a plain text to xml program, and chunk the big bits via some other progam into article or somesuch. Tell me to go home Gavin... or suggest how we can help more usefully? regards DaveP From kwade at redhat.com Fri Feb 27 19:54:17 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 27 Feb 2004 11:54:17 -0800 Subject: recent website changes for docs In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040227191213.026d2d88@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1077812964.6071.5.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> <200402261637.10069.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> <200402262256.45530.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> <6.0.1.1.2.20040227191213.026d2d88@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <1077911657.9440.3068.camel@erato.phig.org> On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 11:15, Dave Pawson wrote: > My only other suggestion is to chunk the source into tiny bits, > then use a plain text to xml program, > and chunk the big bits via some other progam into article or somesuch. My I suggest html2db: http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~ppadala/tidy/ It does a very nice, compliant conversion. Converting from HTML, it can't know much more than to turn
into , but that kind of thing is easy to fix. I've converted multi-page HTML into DocBook *ML in just a few hours with a simple convert and edit. The structure you get in the end is not the point, it's the chunks of markup which can then be put into a DocBook template. Of course, it's nice to have an editor that can do e.g. sgml-tag-region and tag creation/completion for manually marking up missed or incorrect bits. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade : Tech Writer, RHCE : o: +1.831.466.9664 kwade at redhat.com : http://rhea.redhat.com/ : c: +1.831.818.9995 Red Hat Applications : WAF, CMS, Portal Server -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From kwade at redhat.com Fri Feb 27 19:59:32 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 27 Feb 2004 11:59:32 -0800 Subject: Thoughts on Squid article In-Reply-To: <200402271528.03937.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> References: <200402271528.03937.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> Message-ID: <1077911972.9440.3082.camel@erato.phig.org> On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 07:27, Gavin Henry wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > http://www.suretecsystems.com/docs/proxy-guide-en/ Is the XML available? I like to read-for-edit with the XML open so I can make my suggestions right into the markup. Who needs fancy wysiwyg Edit > Show Changes when you have 'diff -u'? I am personally more likely to read something for an edit/review if I have an easy way to provide feedback. To me, writing up a list of page references, copying old text and writing new text, is cumbersome. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade : Tech Writer, RHCE : o: +1.831.466.9664 kwade at redhat.com : http://rhea.redhat.com/ : c: +1.831.818.9995 Red Hat Applications : WAF, CMS, Portal Server -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk Fri Feb 27 23:04:46 2004 From: gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk (Gavin Henry) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:04:46 +0000 Subject: Thoughts on Squid article In-Reply-To: <1077911972.9440.3082.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <200402271528.03937.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> <1077911972.9440.3082.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <200402272304.49669.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 27 February 2004 19:59, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 07:27, Gavin Henry wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > http://www.suretecsystems.com/docs/proxy-guide-en/ > > Is the XML available? I like to read-for-edit with the XML open so I > can make my suggestions right into the markup. Who needs fancy wysiwyg > Edit > Show Changes when you have 'diff -u'? > Yeah sure. :-) http://www.suretecsystems.com/docs/proxy-guide-en/proxy-guide-en.xml - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAP80OgNqd7Kng8UoRApKMAKC8q0X8BhlHrpPcLmnVuR5aLl0qeACg0fon BopVjastH4CRGb7sdQ4e8eg= =vmwS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk Fri Feb 27 23:13:03 2004 From: gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk (Gavin Henry) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:13:03 +0000 Subject: recent website changes for docs In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040227191213.026d2d88@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200402262256.45530.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> <6.0.1.1.2.20040227191213.026d2d88@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <200402272313.06045.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Write them in XML in the first place > Is this something about grandma and eggs? Aye, aye ;-) > That's why (some people) write in XML in the first place. We never had that choice. Some are so small it would not be worth getting everyone to learn it. (not hard ;-) ) > I'm trying not to sound 'told you so' ish. I don't think its working. > > My only other suggestion is to chunk the source into tiny bits, > then use a plain text to xml program, > and chunk the big bits via some other progam into article or somesuch. > > Tell me to go home Gavin... or suggest how we can help more usefully? Go home... ;-) Bigger ones like: http://www.suretecsystems.com/docs/proxy-guide-en/index.html http://www.suretecsystems.com/docs/proxy-guide-en/proxy-guide-en.xml I do, but the smaller ones, are sometimes easier to do the other way. I am not too hot on xsl-stylesheets, although I did get the "Learning XML" O'reilly book for Christmas, but can you wirte one that sticks in some server-side-includes stuff. That would just be a variable to chuck on the end of each shtml file?? I do subscribe to: xsl-list at lists.mulberrytech.com so I should know a little more. Oh, and I read your website :-) Gavin. - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAP87/gNqd7Kng8UoRAgZ4AKDG0tR8MZuPeReLmtS/kVHKce9Y4QCgxdJa DyXb2maXekCROuSK+asKFik= =tBPh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mikem at cyber.com.au Sat Feb 28 01:11:24 2004 From: mikem at cyber.com.au (Mike MacCana) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:11:24 +1100 (EST) Subject: Thoughts on Squid article In-Reply-To: <200402271528.03937.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks for your efforts, this is good stuff. Now for the feedback: * As the doc guide mentions, totorials should be task based. Eg 'Password File' isn't a title, 'Controlling Access to the Proxy' is. Likewise 'Installing and Configuring Squidguard' should be replaced with 'Content Filtering with Squidguard' 'Swatch' * Try and use general Linux or RH options for services. This aids consistency. Sure, someone could learn they need to run apachectl for apache httpd, smbd and nmbd for Samba, etc, but there's a reason we have initscripts. So yeah - use 'service squid restart' rather than 'squid -k' * Users should use packages to install software. If the package comes with their distro, they should be told to use that package first. If they need to build their own custom package, they can install a source package. If there's no source package for an app, make one. cpna2rpm can help in your case. * Pico isn't open source - but it is a great choice of editor. Pico won't be round in Fedora much longer cause of its licensing, so try Gnu nano an Open Source clone of pico, a great suggestion for newbies to use. Let's combine forces. I'm working on a Squid guide myself. Your guide includes a lot of good technology, mine's more task based, and similiar to Red Hat's other doco. There's a bit of overlap, and some stuff that one of use currently does better than the other (I have transparent caching, you have Squidguard). http://www.cyber.com.au/users/mikem/fedora-docs/proxy-serving-tutorial/proxy-serving-tutorial-en/index.html I'll import your content into my XML (for no reason other than mine has lots of tables I can't be bothered writing out again) next Monday and you can tell me if you're happy with it Cheers, Mike -- __________________________________________________________________________ Mike MacCana Consultant RHCX, MCSE, MCP+I 0419 394 504 From gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk Sat Feb 28 12:28:57 2004 From: gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk (Gavin Henry) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:28:57 +0000 Subject: Thoughts on Squid article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402281228.59869.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 28 February 2004 01:11, Mike MacCana wrote: > Thanks for your efforts, this is good stuff. > > Now for the feedback: > > * As the doc guide mentions, totorials should be task based. Eg 'Password > File' isn't a title, 'Controlling Access to the Proxy' is. Likewise > 'Installing and Configuring Squidguard' should be replaced with 'Content > Filtering with Squidguard' 'Swatch' I've not read the doc guide, so I haven't adhered to it. I had written this fo myself amd forgot I did it, hence the old date. That was the next stage in markup. :-) > > * Try and use general Linux or RH options for services. This aids > consistency. Sure, someone could learn they need to run apachectl for > apache httpd, smbd and nmbd for Samba, etc, but there's a reason we have > initscripts. So yeah - use 'service squid restart' rather than 'squid -k' Yeah, this was done on RH9, so I have still to update to Fedora. I was going to start from scratch to check it all worked on Fedora. > > * Users should use packages to install software. If the package comes with > their distro, they should be told to use that package first. If they need > to build their own custom package, they can install a source package. If > there's no source package for an app, make one. cpna2rpm can help in your > case. It's just a case of deciding to stick with just the source, so everyone can use this guide, or give them options. > > * Pico isn't open source - but it is a great choice of editor. Pico > won't be round in Fedora much longer cause of its licensing, so try Gnu > nano an Open Source clone of pico, a great suggestion for newbies to > use. Again, this was done for RH9. > > Let's combine forces. I'm working on a Squid guide myself. Your guide > includes a lot of good technology, mine's more task based, and similiar to > Red Hat's other doco. There's a bit of overlap, and some stuff that one of > use currently does better than the other (I have transparent caching, you > have Squidguard). OK, it's worth a thought. As long as you include my name. :-) I think this should go to www.tldp.org too, as they could do with one like this. > http://www.cyber.com.au/users/mikem/fedora-docs/proxy-serving-tutorial/prox >y-serving-tutorial-en/index.html > > I'll import your content into my XML (for no reason other than mine has > lots of tables I can't be bothered writing out again) next Monday and you > can tell me if you're happy with it I'll read it and let you know. > > Cheers, > > Mike > > -- > __________________________________________________________________________ > Mike MacCana Consultant RHCX, MCSE, MCP+I > 0419 394 504 - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAQImJgNqd7Kng8UoRAgV7AKCTF7JjmyzWq9CbmtwCZ6HEFkVCTQCeJFNt 1UKHg74u1cF7LjHsvw5Qpj8= =mi2g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Sat Feb 28 13:25:57 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:25:57 +0000 Subject: recent website changes for docs In-Reply-To: <200402272313.06045.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200402262256.45530.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> <6.0.1.1.2.20040227191213.026d2d88@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <200402272313.06045.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040228132418.025f3088@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 23:13 27/02/2004, Gavin Henry wrote: >We never had that choice. Some are so small it would not be worth getting >everyone to learn it. (not hard ;-) ) > > Tell me to go home Gavin... or suggest how we can help more usefully? > >Go home... ;-) > >Bigger ones like: > >http://www.suretecsystems.com/docs/proxy-guide-en/index.html >http://www.suretecsystems.com/docs/proxy-guide-en/proxy-guide-en.xml > >I do, but the smaller ones, are sometimes easier to do the other way. I'm still a bit confused then, what is the other way you're referring to please? Or could I help with markup of the 'smaller' ones? (section/sect3 or whatever they are) for integration into a larger document? regards DaveP