From lsdr at lsdr.net Thu Jan 1 15:24:20 2004 From: lsdr at lsdr.net (Luiz Rocha) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:24:20 -0200 Subject: Documentation project status In-Reply-To: <3FF27EAD.5030606@dslextreme.com> References: <1072018060.2763.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200312302055.01673.lsdr@lsdr.net> <3FF27EAD.5030606@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <200401011324.26168.lsdr@lsdr.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 31 December 2003 05:45, Akbar S. Ahmed wrote: > I'll quote Red Hat staff here, "Fedora is not a production environment!" > Maybe not exact but close enough. > > To repeat, if you want a stable production quality Linux then use RHEL. > > If you doubt me, then ask one of the RH people to chime in. If they say > that Fedora is a stable platform that is "suitable for production use" > then I'll stand corrected. I have no problems with that. Your point of view, not mine. I still stand to what I've said for reasons I won't try to explain, since it would steer this thread even more off-topic. Any Linux distros, of any kind, purpose or stability benefits from a good, well written and focused documentation. If Fedora and RHEL can't share the same docs, than it is up to us to write good doccos for Fedora. Not only for people like me that end up using Fedora as a prod env Linux, but also to hobbyists and early adopters. - -- Luiz Rocha -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/9DuoN2+4JlrxCYYRAlSSAJ0Wf1eKDxxXOx90IjL14VqNxnXfmgCfVjyK mnoDZTy1YYliJ+Ala706RTM= =9Mxg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tfox at redhat.com Tue Jan 6 22:02:02 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:02:02 -0500 Subject: volunteer yum document In-Reply-To: <1072731720.1360.5.camel@agouza.soeterbroek> References: <1072731720.1360.5.camel@agouza.soeterbroek> Message-ID: <20040106220202.GD2843@redhat.com> On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 10:02:00PM +0100, Joost Soeterbroek wrote: > Hello all, > > > I would like to volunteer to the fedora-docs project as a technical > writer/editor. I have already started a HOWTO/tutorial on the topic of > keeping multiple fedora systems up2date with yum. Would this be useful > for the project? Is there somewhere I can send or check in my XML > sources I have so far? > I can add your XML files to the fedora-docs CVS module even though it is not available for external commits right now. It would at least give you a place to allow people to download it in progress. Tammy From ml at elf.no-ip.org Thu Jan 8 09:34:59 2004 From: ml at elf.no-ip.org (Tadashi Jokagi) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:34:59 +0900 Subject: mistake entity (was: filename) In-Reply-To: <3fca78bb.2183%ml@elf.no-ip.org> References: <3fc716f1.2171%ml@elf.no-ip.org> <6.0.0.22.2.20031128180457.02622e28@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <200311301954.hAUJs0m2012729@proxy6.impress.co.jp> <3fca78bb.2183%ml@elf.no-ip.org> Message-ID: <3ffd2443.4982%ml@elf.no-ip.org> Hi, I also proposed in the past. Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 08:09:47 +0900 Message-ID: <3fca78bb.2183%ml at elf.no-ip.org> +1 vote. There is also another problem in addition to file composition now. It is using xmlto. That is because xmlto probably does not correspond to many languages. The character code of docbook is UTF-8. On the level, it is multilingual correspondence. However, HTML outputted is ASCII and a HTML entity. For example, now, it is difficult to create text browsing environment. Moreover, combined use of each text filter or a format conversion program is difficult. It seems that this problem can be avoided if openjapde is used. HTML created by PHP can do a full-text search. #The site of PHP is an English full-text search. ;-( Is there any evasion method of this problem by xmlto? Regards, -- ----.----1----.----2----.----3----.----4----.----5----.----6----.----7 Tadashi Jokagi/Shibuya city mailto:elf at elf.no-ip.org Yokukitana http://elf.no-ip.org/ Yokukitawiki http://elf.no-ip.org/wiki/ Yokukitablog http://elf.no-ip.org/blog/ Fedora JP Project http://www.linuxml.net/ From twaugh at redhat.com Thu Jan 8 10:27:09 2004 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:27:09 +0000 Subject: mistake entity (was: filename) In-Reply-To: <3ffd2443.4982%ml@elf.no-ip.org> References: <3fc716f1.2171%ml@elf.no-ip.org> <6.0.0.22.2.20031128180457.02622e28@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <200311301954.hAUJs0m2012729@proxy6.impress.co.jp> <3fca78bb.2183%ml@elf.no-ip.org> <3ffd2443.4982%ml@elf.no-ip.org> Message-ID: <20040108102709.GR6941@redhat.com> On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 06:34:59PM +0900, Tadashi Jokagi wrote: [the fact that non-ASCII characters come out as HTML entities even with UTF-8 output] > Is there any evasion method of this problem by xmlto? We saw this with anaconda too, but I think Matt Wilson just added support in anaconda for reading the entities. It would be a good idea to create a tiny example document that shows the behaviour, and file it in bugzilla -- against xmlto if you like, although I think it is probably either xsltproc or the DocBook stylesheets that cause it. Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pauln at truemesh.com Fri Jan 9 11:30:41 2004 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:30:41 +0000 Subject: Community Slides for fedora Message-ID: <20040109113039.GS17893@ensim.rackshack.net> I'm going to be giving a LUG talk on fedora and sort of thought it might be a good idea to have some shared sides or maybe just templates. Maybe templates in in common tools such as MagicPoint and OOo What do people think? My talk will probably go into fc2 a bit, but I will be doing an intro, fud clearing, etc. Paul From Stefan at Waidele.net Fri Jan 9 11:47:40 2004 From: Stefan at Waidele.net (Stefan Waidele jun.) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 12:47:40 +0100 Subject: Community Slides for fedora In-Reply-To: <20040109113039.GS17893@ensim.rackshack.net> References: <20040109113039.GS17893@ensim.rackshack.net> Message-ID: <3FFE94DC.5010900@Waidele.net> Paul Nasrat wrote: > I'm going to be giving a LUG talk on fedora and sort of thought it > might be a good idea to have some shared sides or maybe just > templates. Maybe templates in in common tools such as MagicPoint and > OOo > > What do people think? > > My talk will probably go into fc2 a bit, but I will be doing an > intro, fud clearing, etc. I have installed Fedora under VMWare. While doing this, I took screenshots of all the different screens that came up during the installation. I thought these might be helptful for these slides or other documentation. If you want to take a look at them, they can be found here: http://stefan.waidele.info/Fedora-Install Hope this helps, Stefan PS: The first three screenshots are messed up at the bottom. If you are really going to use them, please tell me, and I will do them again. PPS: Yes, I (now) know about SHIFT-Print Screen in Anaconda :) From gose at mcs.anl.gov Fri Jan 9 16:58:27 2004 From: gose at mcs.anl.gov (Scott Gose) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:58:27 -0600 Subject: Community Slides for fedora In-Reply-To: <3FFE94DC.5010900@Waidele.net> References: <20040109113039.GS17893@ensim.rackshack.net> <3FFE94DC.5010900@Waidele.net> Message-ID: <20040109165827.GA15216@mcs.anl.gov> As another data point, linuxinstall.org also has screenshots of installation: http://www.linuxinstall.org/fedora/1.0/screenshots/installation/ http://www.linuxinstall.org/fedora/1.0/screenshots/setup/ http://www.linuxinstall.org/fedora/1.0/screenshots/desktop/ On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 12:47:40PM +0100, Stefan Waidele jun. wrote: > Paul Nasrat wrote: > >I'm going to be giving a LUG talk on fedora and sort of thought it > >might be a good idea to have some shared sides or maybe just > >templates. Maybe templates in in common tools such as MagicPoint and > >OOo > > > >What do people think? > > > >My talk will probably go into fc2 a bit, but I will be doing an > >intro, fud clearing, etc. > > I have installed Fedora under VMWare. > While doing this, I took screenshots of all the different screens that > came up during the installation. > > I thought these might be helptful for these slides or other documentation. > > If you want to take a look at them, they can be found here: > http://stefan.waidele.info/Fedora-Install > > Hope this helps, > > Stefan > > PS: The first three screenshots are messed up at the bottom. If you are > really going to use them, please tell me, and I will do them again. > > PPS: Yes, I (now) know about SHIFT-Print Screen in Anaconda :) > > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -- Scott Gose gose at mcs.anl.gov From alvaro at gonzalez.dk Sun Jan 11 18:35:03 2004 From: alvaro at gonzalez.dk (alvaro gonzalez rivas) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:35:03 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-config-list] ISO Image fail? Message-ID: <91f801c3d871$a0b86910$72cb010a@mail2world.com> I'm assuming you did check your MD5 checksums, having cleared that.... I had the very same problem you talk about and it turns out it's most probably your cd-rom, check out this link. http://www.linuxinstall.org/media.php i actually downloaded all 3 isos twice, even tough the checksums where o.k. the first time and burned 3 copies of fedora. i tought it was a problem with my HD, and so i reinstalled another OS just to check if that worked. and it did, so having ruled out the HD i tried running the test on another computer and voila all three cd's aced the tests. aparently fedora core 1 gets picky sometimes with cheap cd-rom drives and i know my cd-rom is the cheapest one i could get. and thats only sometimes because i changed cd drives for an ecqually cheap one and it worked out great. dont try installing if it fails the test, (i tried a couple of times) it's just going to fail again during the install and make you reboot, at best its going to do a very messy grub install that doesnt let you boot up. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Santosh On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 alvaro gonzalez rivas wrote : >yes you can directly upgrade from rh9 to fedora. provided your cd's are >o.k. and you dont have a cheap cd-rom that doesnt decide to give you a >hard time. just pop cd 1 in and on the install program just tell it to >upgrade from fh9 to fedora on your hd0 or wherever you have your linux >install. you still need all 3 cd's and it should take you about 30 >minutes. plus if you want to install the latest rpm upgrades once you've >done the fedora install, it should take you a bit longer depending on >your connection. suggestion install the new kernel first and THEN >download everything else. i wouldnt know about any major dns server >change though > ><-----Original Message-----> > From: santosh jambhlikar >Sent: 1/1/2004 8:37:01 AM >To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com >Subject: Re: Upgradation > >Hi all, > >Now i have Fedora Core CDs. I want to install on my existing rh9 server. >Can i do upgrade installation on rh9 server. and is there any major >changes in DNS server configuration in Fedora. > >Santosh > > > > > From arau at schleese.com Tue Jan 13 16:30:54 2004 From: arau at schleese.com (Alexander Rau (work)) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:30:54 -0500 Subject: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) In-Reply-To: <3FC43FD4.8070702@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: Hello everybody and a happy new year. The holiday season is over and I am wondering if you guys are up to reviving the anaconda documentation project? Anybody any idea where we are at? I saw Manilal has published a little how-to. https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2004-January/msg00021.ht ml Might be useful Thoughts? AR -----Original Message----- From: fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Akbar S. Ahmed Sent: 26 November 2003 00:53 To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) Taylor, ForrestX wrote: > Will you be able to host this until at least the end > of the year? If not, let's go to Brian's kickstart-tools repository and > set it up there. I could host it till the end of the year, but Brian's kickstart-tools repository on sf.net would probably be better. sf.net has better bandwidth than I have here. If we switch to sf.net, when will this be done? Should we start on my system and then switch or just start with sf.net? Personally, either way is fine with me. I have a system up and running, but nobody except Alexander has send their CVS username/password. There are a few kinks that Alexander and I are working out, but I'm sure everything can be fixed. Thanks, Akbar -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jan 13 19:02:58 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 13 Jan 2004 11:02:58 -0800 Subject: Upgradation In-Reply-To: <20040113141054.19838.qmail@webmail6.rediffmail.com> References: <20040113141054.19838.qmail@webmail6.rediffmail.com> Message-ID: <1074020578.20195.3934.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 06:10, santosh jambhlikar wrote: > Hi > > Thanks now i have Fedora on my pc. When try to configure DNS on Fedora It is not working. MY DNS configuration files and contents are coreect. Any help regarding DNS. > Also please give me some help for configuring Samba as PDC on fedora. You might want to try your questions on fedora-list at redhat.com. This list is fedora-docs-list, which is for the Fedora Docs Project. General Fedora how-to discussions are not on topic here. Good luck! - Karsten > > > Santosh > > > On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 alvaro gonzalez rivas wrote : > >yes you can directly upgrade from rh9 to fedora. provided your cd's are > >o.k. and you dont have a cheap cd-rom that doesnt decide to give you a > >hard time. just pop cd 1 in and on the install program just tell it to > >upgrade from fh9 to fedora on your hd0 or wherever you have your linux > >install. you still need all 3 cd's and it should take you about 30 > >minutes. plus if you want to install the latest rpm upgrades once you've > >done the fedora install, it should take you a bit longer depending on > >your connection. suggestion install the new kernel first and THEN > >download everything else. i wouldnt know about any major dns server > >change though > > > ><-----Original Message-----> > > From: santosh jambhlikar > >Sent: 1/1/2004 8:37:01 AM > >To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > >Subject: Re: Upgradation > > > >Hi all, > > > >Now i have Fedora Core CDs. I want to install on my existing rh9 server. > >Can i do upgrade installation on rh9 server. and is there any major > >changes in DNS server configuration in Fedora. > > > >Santosh > > > > > > > > > > -- Karsten Wade : Tech Writer, RHCE : o: +1.831.466.9664 kwade at redhat.com : http://rhea.redhat.com/ : c: +1.831.818.9995 Red Hat Applications : WAF, CMS, Portal Server -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From pantz at lqt.ca Tue Jan 13 19:08:45 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:08:45 -0500 Subject: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4004423D.9010705@lqt.ca> Alexander Rau (work) wrote: >Hello everybody and a happy new year. > >The holiday season is over and I am wondering if you guys are up to reviving >the anaconda documentation project? > >Anybody any idea where we are at? > >I saw Manilal has published a little how-to. > >https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2004-January/msg00021.ht >ml > >Might be useful > >Thoughts? > > Happy new year to you too Alexander! After my bad start - I'm back in the action ... I am right in the middle of an anaconda/Fedora customisation project and I am documenting everything that I am doing. I am interested in getting something together to make it alot easier on people than the current mix and match documentation that exists spread out all over the place. The thing that scared me off is the tools needed to do the doc 'redhat style'. I know its probably easy once you get into it - but the trick is someones gotta take the time to 'get into it'. If it was simply a matter of copy/paste what we already have, into some nice easy gui program that formats the text, etc. - that would be much more inviting!! Anyhoo - my own personal doc is growing daily as I learn more about the customisation process so call on me when you need help ... pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From arau at schleese.com Tue Jan 13 19:31:00 2004 From: arau at schleese.com (Alexander Rau (work)) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:31:00 -0500 Subject: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) In-Reply-To: <4004423D.9010705@lqt.ca> Message-ID: Cool! I have my notes, too (and I am sure everybody else does, too). Any idea how we can exchange notes so we do not have to double our efforts? I am also not too fond of the red-hat style formatting. AR -----Original Message----- From: fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul Pianta Sent: 13 January 2004 14:09 To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) Alexander Rau (work) wrote: >Hello everybody and a happy new year. > >The holiday season is over and I am wondering if you guys are up to reviving >the anaconda documentation project? > >Anybody any idea where we are at? > >I saw Manilal has published a little how-to. > >https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2004-January/msg00021.h t >ml > >Might be useful > >Thoughts? > > Happy new year to you too Alexander! After my bad start - I'm back in the action ... I am right in the middle of an anaconda/Fedora customisation project and I am documenting everything that I am doing. I am interested in getting something together to make it alot easier on people than the current mix and match documentation that exists spread out all over the place. The thing that scared me off is the tools needed to do the doc 'redhat style'. I know its probably easy once you get into it - but the trick is someones gotta take the time to 'get into it'. If it was simply a matter of copy/paste what we already have, into some nice easy gui program that formats the text, etc. - that would be much more inviting!! Anyhoo - my own personal doc is growing daily as I learn more about the customisation process so call on me when you need help ... pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list From Stefan at Waidele.net Tue Jan 13 19:56:38 2004 From: Stefan at Waidele.net (Stefan Waidele jun.) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:56:38 +0100 Subject: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40044D76.7070802@Waidele.net> Alexander Rau (work) wrote: > Cool! > > I have my notes, too (and I am sure everybody else does, too). Any idea how > we can exchange notes so we do not have to double our efforts? Wiki, Twiki, Kwiki,... Just an idea, Stefan From joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us Tue Jan 13 20:44:34 2004 From: joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:44:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) In-Reply-To: <40044D76.7070802@Waidele.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Stefan Waidele jun. wrote: > Alexander Rau (work) wrote: > > Cool! > > > > I have my notes, too (and I am sure everybody else does, too). Any idea how > > we can exchange notes so we do not have to double our efforts? > > Wiki, Twiki, Kwiki,... > This would be a great way to at least collaberate and get initial docs. Also, for those of us that don't have time to write entire sections, we might be able to easily review and make minor additions/edits. Cheers...james > Just an idea, > > Stefan > > > From pantz at lqt.ca Tue Jan 13 21:02:57 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:02:57 -0500 Subject: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40045D01.6060201@lqt.ca> > > >Wiki, Twiki, Kwiki,... > > I'm clueless on wikis - never been a big fan - but if someone sets one up somewhere I am ready to add/modify/read/whatever it - and in the process - learn how they work lol. I guess we could wiki it for a while - get all the separate docs integrated into something that everyone agrees on - and then when we have a complete doc (read over many times by many people) - then we can maybe find some poor innocent fool that will do the dirty job of squeezing it into a format that redhat are gonna accept. Any wiki-aware people with some spare server-space out there? (actually i have a mega-slow server that might do the job if needed ...) pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From alvaro at gonzalez.dk Wed Jan 14 00:56:09 2004 From: alvaro at gonzalez.dk (alvaro gonzalez rivas) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:56:09 -0800 Subject: Upgradation Message-ID: have you actually started the DNS service??? see if you have, also are you really really sure you want to be a dns server??? you should really try asking yourself that, because your ISP is probably doing that for you anyways, and unless you're running a big network and have your own domain already i dont really see why you'd want to run DNS. <-----Original Message-----> From: santosh jambhlikar Sent: 1/1/2004 2:13:54 PM To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Re: Upgradation Hi Thanks now i have Fedora on my pc. When try to configure DNS on Fedora It is not working. MY DNS configuration files and contents are coreect. Any help regarding DNS. Also please give me some help for configuring Samba as PDC on fedora. Santosh On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 alvaro gonzalez rivas wrote : >yes you can directly upgrade from rh9 to fedora. provided your cd's are >o.k. and you dont have a cheap cd-rom that doesnt decide to give you a >hard time. just pop cd 1 in and on the install program just tell it to >upgrade from fh9 to fedora on your hd0 or wherever you have your linux >install. you still need all 3 cd's and it should take you about 30 >minutes. plus if you want to install the latest rpm upgrades once you've >done the fedora install, it should take you a bit longer depending on >your connection. suggestion install the new kernel first and THEN >download everything else. i wouldnt know about any major dns server >change though > ><-----Original Message-----> > From: santosh jambhlikar >Sent: 1/1/2004 8:37:01 AM >To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com >Subject: Re: Upgradation > >Hi all, > >Now i have Fedora Core CDs. I want to install on my existing rh9 server. >Can i do upgrade installation on rh9 server. and is there any major >changes in DNS server configuration in Fedora. > >Santosh > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From akbar501 at dslextreme.com Wed Jan 14 07:01:07 2004 From: akbar501 at dslextreme.com (Akbar S. Ahmed) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:01:07 -0800 Subject: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) In-Reply-To: <40044D76.7070802@Waidele.net> References: <40044D76.7070802@Waidele.net> Message-ID: <4004E933.20701@dslextreme.com> Stefan Waidele jun. wrote: > Wiki, Twiki, Kwiki,... > > Just an idea, > > Stefan What happened with Savannah? Should we create a new project? I had a set up a cvs server here, but there were some connection establishment problems. I could setup another server here and we could give it another go from my site. It'll take me till Sunday or so to get to it b/c we are shipping some s/w this week. I also think that Stefan's idea of wiki/twiki etc. is a good one. It's the easiest collaboration environment to use that gives us versioning. Thanks, Akbar From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Wed Jan 14 08:56:05 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:56:05 +0000 Subject: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) In-Reply-To: References: <4004423D.9010705@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040114085458.0266b950@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 19:31 13/01/2004, Alexander Rau (work) wrote: >Cool! > >I have my notes, too (and I am sure everybody else does, too). Any idea how >we can exchange notes so we do not have to double our efforts? > >I am also not too fond of the red-hat style formatting. Anything specific about the rh formatting style? The fact that its xml? Use of docbook? Processing it? Which elements to use? Curious, DaveP. From al at xms.co.za Wed Jan 14 09:52:35 2004 From: al at xms.co.za (Andrew Lewis) Date: 14 Jan 2004 11:52:35 +0200 Subject: CVS/Wiki/Savannah? Message-ID: <1074073954.2218.3.camel@al.xms.co.za> *Shrug* Each to his own? %D I'm suprised RedHat didn't stipulate how submissions should work?- Rather only going into exhaustive detail about formatting.. ;> I have requested a fedora-docs project @ Savannah - I can always ask them to kill it again if the consensus is that we don't want to use it, h0h0. -AL. From al at xms.co.za Wed Jan 14 10:33:38 2004 From: al at xms.co.za (Andrew Lewis) Date: 14 Jan 2004 12:33:38 +0200 Subject: CVS/Wiki/Savannah? Message-ID: <1074076418.2218.18.camel@al.xms.co.za> ---> fedoranews.org -> features tutorials & howto's ---> fedora.artoo.net/faq -> unofficial #fedora faq ^- Anyone got other links for existing fedora doc repositories? I believe the Fedora docs are one article per page? And RedHat will maintain an index? ;) The Fedora page says that after tutorials are completed, editors will be assigned to them. Possibly people could leverage benefit out of a more open system? Just throwing around ideas.... %) -AL. From jgh105 at york.ac.uk Wed Jan 14 10:36:33 2004 From: jgh105 at york.ac.uk (JG Hill) Date: 14 Jan 2004 10:36:33 +0000 Subject: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) Message-ID: <200401141036.KAA23159@webmail0.york.ac.uk> > I guess we could wiki it for a while - get all the separate docs > integrated into something that everyone agrees on - and then when we > have a complete doc (read over many times by many people) - then we can > maybe find some poor innocent fool that will do the dirty job of > squeezing it into a format that redhat are gonna accept. I'll put my poor innocent fool hat on and provisionally say I'll have a go at translating into the redhat format - if things ever get to that stage. Grant Hill From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Wed Jan 14 11:16:47 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:16:47 +0000 Subject: CVS/Wiki/Savannah? In-Reply-To: <1074076418.2218.18.camel@al.xms.co.za> References: <1074076418.2218.18.camel@al.xms.co.za> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040114111537.02696d70@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 10:33 14/01/2004, Andrew Lewis wrote: >The Fedora page says that after tutorials are completed, editors will be >assigned to them. Possibly people could leverage benefit out of a more >open system? Call me nasty and suspicious, but are the Fedora documents FDL? Or does Redhat take ownership? regards DaveP From al at xms.co.za Wed Jan 14 12:00:05 2004 From: al at xms.co.za (Andrew Lewis) Date: 14 Jan 2004 14:00:05 +0200 Subject: CVS/Wiki/Savannah? In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040114111537.02696d70@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <1074076418.2218.18.camel@al.xms.co.za> <6.0.0.22.2.20040114111537.02696d70@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <1074081604.2218.29.camel@al.xms.co.za> On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 13:16, Dave Pawson wrote: > Call me nasty and suspicious, > but are the Fedora documents FDL? > Or does Redhat take ownership? FDL of course. ;D (see documentation project page) -AL. From arau at schleese.com Wed Jan 14 13:03:09 2004 From: arau at schleese.com (Alexander Rau (work)) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:03:09 -0500 Subject: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) In-Reply-To: <4004E933.20701@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: I am playing with wiki on my server at home. I let you guys know once I get it to work. Does this sound like an alternative we can settle for or should we explore other alternatives? AR -----Original Message----- From: fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Akbar S. Ahmed Sent: 14 January 2004 02:01 To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) Stefan Waidele jun. wrote: > Wiki, Twiki, Kwiki,... > > Just an idea, > > Stefan What happened with Savannah? Should we create a new project? I had a set up a cvs server here, but there were some connection establishment problems. I could setup another server here and we could give it another go from my site. It'll take me till Sunday or so to get to it b/c we are shipping some s/w this week. I also think that Stefan's idea of wiki/twiki etc. is a good one. It's the easiest collaboration environment to use that gives us versioning. Thanks, Akbar -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list From paul at frields.com Wed Jan 14 13:18:42 2004 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:18:42 -0500 Subject: CVS/Wiki/Savannah? In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040114111537.02696d70@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <1074076418.2218.18.camel@al.xms.co.za> <6.0.0.22.2.20040114111537.02696d70@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <1074086321.3606.23.camel@london.east.gov> On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 06:16, Dave Pawson wrote: > Call me nasty and suspicious, > but are the Fedora documents FDL? > Or does Redhat take ownership? Now, you don't *really* want people to call you that, do you? :-) The Fedora documents *are* FDL, at least the ones that will be contributed. The copyright is held, of course, by the author. As for the guides on which Tammy is working, I don't know, but I suspect they will also be FDL, to fit the aims of the project, although that's purely conjecture on my part. I would suspect that Red Hat has a company policy on holding copyright on work produced on company time and payroll, which of course makes perfect sense. That doesn't keep it from being FDL. Again, just speculation since I don't work there. If anyone has documents they would like reviewed, I'm available to help. I can either (1) review for content and make suggestions, (2) put the document into proper format using the approved tool set (Emacs, PSGML, xmlto, etc.), or (3) a combination thereof. I got a submission from one contributor not too long ago and did #1, but haven't received any revisions from him to date. I have a starter tutorial, representing what I think is proper format and XML tagging, at: http://frields.com/paul/fedora/docs/updfstab-en.tar.bz2 -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Wed Jan 14 14:21:54 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:21:54 +0000 Subject: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) In-Reply-To: <200401141036.KAA23159@webmail0.york.ac.uk> References: <200401141036.KAA23159@webmail0.york.ac.uk> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040114142103.026aad58@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 10:36 14/01/2004, JG Hill wrote: >I'll put my poor innocent fool hat on and provisionally say I'll have a go >at translating into the redhat format - if things ever get to that stage. I can't find it immediately, but I know a guy who has done a book, wiki to docbook, so I'm guessing there's a tool out there somewhere. DaveP From arau at schleese.com Wed Jan 14 14:55:12 2004 From: arau at schleese.com (Alexander Rau (work)) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:55:12 -0500 Subject: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040114142103.026aad58@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: I got WakkaWikki working in my homeserver http://rau.homedns.org/wakka/ Should I leave the directory open or should I protect it with username/password check? If so who should I set up for this and how are we going to do the password thing? AR -----Original Message----- From: fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dave Pawson Sent: 14 January 2004 09:22 To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) At 10:36 14/01/2004, JG Hill wrote: >I'll put my poor innocent fool hat on and provisionally say I'll have a go >at translating into the redhat format - if things ever get to that stage. I can't find it immediately, but I know a guy who has done a book, wiki to docbook, so I'm guessing there's a tool out there somewhere. DaveP -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list From pantz at lqt.ca Wed Jan 14 15:24:50 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:24:50 -0500 Subject: Anaconda doc - lets go!! In-Reply-To: <1074086321.3606.23.camel@london.east.gov> References: <1074076418.2218.18.camel@al.xms.co.za> <6.0.0.22.2.20040114111537.02696d70@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1074086321.3606.23.camel@london.east.gov> Message-ID: <40055F42.1000004@lqt.ca> I don't want to sound like a control freak here but I have a plan to organise this motley crew of willing contributors ... Alexander has offered to set up wiki on his server for us. It seems like 'twiki' is actually more suitable for what we want as it has 'control revision' built in which seems more useful for our purposes. If you agree Alexander - could you check out twiki and see about getting it running on your server - maybe on the weekend if you have the time ... Grant Hill and Paul Frieds have very kindly offered their services to translate the doc into whatever formatting style redhat like to have for it to be a part of their official documentation project ... With little 'twiki' experience, I am interested in seeing how smoothly collaboration will be using a twiki server for this project, but I'm pretty sure it will work out fine - and soon we will have a 'near final' copy of a complete 'anaconda customisation' document. Once people are happy with what we have achieved through the use of the twiki - we will pass it on to Grant and/or Paul and see what they can come up with! I am even suggesting a mini-roadmap coz it seems that it is quite easy to lose track of things and let it fall into the 'yeah i will do that later - right after i organise my bookmarks list' category - and you know what that means ... ;) _*week*_ _*goal*_ today - 2004-01-18 set up twiki server 2004-01-19 - 2004-01-25 set up twiki accounts for contributors and start posting/editing 2004-01-26 - 2004-02-08 continue editing/adding/etc. and discussing (2 weeks should be good i think) 2004-02-09 - 2004-02-22 'final' revision gets passed to formatters and they get 2 weeks to make it all look great! 2004-02-23 - 20040-2-29 last minute cleanups - and submitted to redhat on the 29th!! (only happens once every 4 years so lets make it special!!) Sorry about the crappy formatting above but thunderbird tabs are a bit dodgy. This is not intended to offend anybody with strict time limits and please feel free to make any suggestions. The only other thing I am not sure about is how we can collaborate in real time if need be - maybe this can be done effectively with twiki (no idea) or maybe we can set up a channel on irc.freenode.net (eg. #anaconda-doc). Anyway we need a central place for communication because I dont think this list is appropriate for the traffic we are likely to generate ... Any suggestions on this? And finally - if there are no objections to the above 'roadmap' - i say we try to stick to it as best we can and in the foreseeable future - the masses will have access to an incredible doc that just might spawn many more cool custom distros based on the great foundation set up by the Fedora team ... cheers and away!!! pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From santoshdj123 at rediffmail.com Wed Jan 14 15:24:26 2004 From: santoshdj123 at rediffmail.com (santosh jambhlikar) Date: 14 Jan 2004 15:24:26 -0000 Subject: Upgradation Message-ID: <20040114152426.29694.qmail@webmail31.rediffmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 alvaro gonzalez rivas wrote : >have you actually started the DNS service??? see if you have, also are >you really really sure you want to be a dns server??? you should really >try asking yourself that, because your ISP is probably doing that for >you anyways, and unless you're running a big network and have your own >domain already i dont really see why you'd want to run DNS. > ><-----Original Message-----> > From: santosh jambhlikar >Sent: 1/1/2004 2:13:54 PM >To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com >Subject: Re: Re: Upgradation > >Hi > >Thanks now i have Fedora on my pc. When try to configure DNS on Fedora >It is not working. MY DNS configuration files and contents are coreect. >Any help regarding DNS. >Also please give me some help for configuring Samba as PDC on fedora. > > >Santosh > > >On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 alvaro gonzalez rivas wrote : > >yes you can directly upgrade from rh9 to fedora. provided your cd's are > >o.k. and you dont have a cheap cd-rom that doesnt decide to give you a > >hard time. just pop cd 1 in and on the install program just tell it to > >upgrade from fh9 to fedora on your hd0 or wherever you have your linux > >install. you still need all 3 cd's and it should take you about 30 > >minutes. plus if you want to install the latest rpm upgrades once >you've > >done the fedora install, it should take you a bit longer depending on > >your connection. suggestion install the new kernel first and THEN > >download everything else. i wouldnt know about any major dns server > >change though > > > ><-----Original Message-----> > > From: santosh jambhlikar > >Sent: 1/1/2004 8:37:01 AM > >To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > >Subject: Re: Upgradation > > > >Hi all, > > > >Now i have Fedora Core CDs. I want to install on my existing rh9 >server. > >Can i do upgrade installation on rh9 server. and is there any major > >changes in DNS server configuration in Fedora. > > > >Santosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From pantz at lqt.ca Wed Jan 14 15:32:37 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:32:37 -0500 Subject: Anaconda doc - lets go!! In-Reply-To: <1074086321.3606.23.camel@london.east.gov> References: <1074076418.2218.18.camel@al.xms.co.za> <6.0.0.22.2.20040114111537.02696d70@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1074086321.3606.23.camel@london.east.gov> Message-ID: <40056115.7060606@lqt.ca> doh i wanted to start a new thread with this ... (maybe this time!!) I don't want to sound like a control freak here but I have a plan to organise this motley crew of willing contributors ... Alexander has offered to set up wiki on his server for us. It seems like 'twiki' is actually more suitable for what we want as it has 'control revision' built in which seems more useful for our purposes. If you agree Alexander - could you check out twiki and see about getting it running on your server - maybe on the weekend if you have the time ... Grant Hill and Paul Frieds have very kindly offered their services to translate the doc into whatever formatting style redhat like to have for it to be a part of their official documentation project ... With little 'twiki' experience, I am interested in seeing how smoothly collaboration will be using a twiki server for this project, but I'm pretty sure it will work out fine - and soon we will have a 'near final' copy of a complete 'anaconda customisation' document. Once people are happy with what we have achieved through the use of the twiki - we will pass it on to Grant and/or Paul and see what they can come up with! I am even suggesting a mini-roadmap coz it seems that it is quite easy to lose track of things and let it fall into the 'yeah i will do that later - right after i organise my bookmarks list' category - and you know what that means ... ;) _*week*_ _*goal*_ today - 2004-01-18 set up twiki server 2004-01-19 - 2004-01-25 set up twiki accounts for contributors and start posting/editing 2004-01-26 - 2004-02-08 continue editing/adding/etc. and discussing (2 weeks should be good i think) 2004-02-09 - 2004-02-22 'final' revision gets passed to formatters and they get 2 weeks to make it all look great! 2004-02-23 - 20040-2-29 last minute cleanups - and submitted to redhat on the 29th!! (only happens once every 4 years so lets make it special!!) Sorry about the crappy formatting above but thunderbird tabs are a bit dodgy. This is not intended to offend anybody with strict time limits and please feel free to make any suggestions. The only other thing I am not sure about is how we can collaborate in real time if need be - maybe this can be done effectively with twiki (no idea) or maybe we can set up a channel on irc.freenode.net (eg. #anaconda-doc). Anyway we need a central place for communication because I dont think this list is appropriate for the traffic we are likely to generate ... Any suggestions on this? And finally - if there are no objections to the above 'roadmap' - i say we try to stick to it as best we can and in the foreseeable future - the masses will have access to an incredible doc that just might spawn many more cool custom distros based on the great foundation set up by the Fedora team ... cheers and away!!! pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From pantz at lqt.ca Wed Jan 14 15:35:49 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:35:49 -0500 Subject: Anaconda doc - lets go!! In-Reply-To: <40056115.7060606@lqt.ca> References: <1074076418.2218.18.camel@al.xms.co.za> <6.0.0.22.2.20040114111537.02696d70@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1074086321.3606.23.camel@london.east.gov> <40056115.7060606@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <400561D5.4070604@lqt.ca> DOH!! -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From arau at schleese.com Wed Jan 14 15:49:39 2004 From: arau at schleese.com (Alexander Rau (work)) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:49:39 -0500 Subject: Anaconda doc - lets go!! In-Reply-To: <40055F42.1000004@lqt.ca> Message-ID: That's no problem. I will start right away. You rock for taking action/the right steps. I can work on the twiki I keep you posted AR -----Original Message----- From: fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul Pianta Sent: 14 January 2004 10:25 To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Subject: Anaconda doc - lets go!! I don't want to sound like a control freak here but I have a plan to organise this motley crew of willing contributors ... Alexander has offered to set up wiki on his server for us. It seems like 'twiki' is actually more suitable for what we want as it has 'control revision' built in which seems more useful for our purposes. If you agree Alexander - could you check out twiki and see about getting it running on your server - maybe on the weekend if you have the time ... Grant Hill and Paul Frieds have very kindly offered their services to translate the doc into whatever formatting style redhat like to have for it to be a part of their official documentation project ... With little 'twiki' experience, I am interested in seeing how smoothly collaboration will be using a twiki server for this project, but I'm pretty sure it will work out fine - and soon we will have a 'near final' copy of a complete 'anaconda customisation' document. Once people are happy with what we have achieved through the use of the twiki - we will pass it on to Grant and/or Paul and see what they can come up with! I am even suggesting a mini-roadmap coz it seems that it is quite easy to lose track of things and let it fall into the 'yeah i will do that later - right after i organise my bookmarks list' category - and you know what that means ... ;) _*week*_ _*goal*_ today - 2004-01-18 set up twiki server 2004-01-19 - 2004-01-25 set up twiki accounts for contributors and start posting/editing 2004-01-26 - 2004-02-08 continue editing/adding/etc. and discussing (2 weeks should be good i think) 2004-02-09 - 2004-02-22 'final' revision gets passed to formatters and they get 2 weeks to make it all look great! 2004-02-23 - 20040-2-29 last minute cleanups - and submitted to redhat on the 29th!! (only happens once every 4 years so lets make it special!!) Sorry about the crappy formatting above but thunderbird tabs are a bit dodgy. This is not intended to offend anybody with strict time limits and please feel free to make any suggestions. The only other thing I am not sure about is how we can collaborate in real time if need be - maybe this can be done effectively with twiki (no idea) or maybe we can set up a channel on irc.freenode.net (eg. #anaconda-doc). Anyway we need a central place for communication because I dont think this list is appropriate for the traffic we are likely to generate ... Any suggestions on this? And finally - if there are no objections to the above 'roadmap' - i say we try to stick to it as best we can and in the foreseeable future - the masses will have access to an incredible doc that just might spawn many more cool custom distros based on the great foundation set up by the Fedora team ... cheers and away!!! pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Wed Jan 14 15:50:04 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:50:04 +0000 Subject: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.0.22.2.20040114142103.026aad58@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040114154826.025ad3a8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 14:55 14/01/2004, Alexander Rau (work) wrote: >I got WakkaWikki working in my homeserver > >http://rau.homedns.org/wakka/ Wikitext to docbook http://www.tldp.org/wt2db/ docs http://www.tldp.org/downloads/ download. Maybe worth trying Alexander? hth DaveP From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Wed Jan 14 15:50:31 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:50:31 +0000 Subject: Anaconda doc - lets go!! In-Reply-To: <400561D5.4070604@lqt.ca> References: <1074076418.2218.18.camel@al.xms.co.za> <6.0.0.22.2.20040114111537.02696d70@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1074086321.3606.23.camel@london.east.gov> <40056115.7060606@lqt.ca> <400561D5.4070604@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040114155013.026907b0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 15:35 14/01/2004, you wrote: >DOH!! Come on Paul, we're all laughing with you :-) regards DaveP From arau at schleese.com Wed Jan 14 15:54:04 2004 From: arau at schleese.com (Alexander Rau (work)) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:54:04 -0500 Subject: Anaconda doc - lets go!! In-Reply-To: <40056115.7060606@lqt.ca> Message-ID: November or December Forrest Taylor and I worked on a draft roadmap. Maybe we can use that as a start again. AR -----Original Message----- From: fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul Pianta Sent: 14 January 2004 10:33 To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Subject: Anaconda doc - lets go!! doh i wanted to start a new thread with this ... (maybe this time!!) I don't want to sound like a control freak here but I have a plan to organise this motley crew of willing contributors ... Alexander has offered to set up wiki on his server for us. It seems like 'twiki' is actually more suitable for what we want as it has 'control revision' built in which seems more useful for our purposes. If you agree Alexander - could you check out twiki and see about getting it running on your server - maybe on the weekend if you have the time ... Grant Hill and Paul Frieds have very kindly offered their services to translate the doc into whatever formatting style redhat like to have for it to be a part of their official documentation project ... With little 'twiki' experience, I am interested in seeing how smoothly collaboration will be using a twiki server for this project, but I'm pretty sure it will work out fine - and soon we will have a 'near final' copy of a complete 'anaconda customisation' document. Once people are happy with what we have achieved through the use of the twiki - we will pass it on to Grant and/or Paul and see what they can come up with! I am even suggesting a mini-roadmap coz it seems that it is quite easy to lose track of things and let it fall into the 'yeah i will do that later - right after i organise my bookmarks list' category - and you know what that means ... ;) _*week*_ _*goal*_ today - 2004-01-18 set up twiki server 2004-01-19 - 2004-01-25 set up twiki accounts for contributors and start posting/editing 2004-01-26 - 2004-02-08 continue editing/adding/etc. and discussing (2 weeks should be good i think) 2004-02-09 - 2004-02-22 'final' revision gets passed to formatters and they get 2 weeks to make it all look great! 2004-02-23 - 20040-2-29 last minute cleanups - and submitted to redhat on the 29th!! (only happens once every 4 years so lets make it special!!) Sorry about the crappy formatting above but thunderbird tabs are a bit dodgy. This is not intended to offend anybody with strict time limits and please feel free to make any suggestions. The only other thing I am not sure about is how we can collaborate in real time if need be - maybe this can be done effectively with twiki (no idea) or maybe we can set up a channel on irc.freenode.net (eg. #anaconda-doc). Anyway we need a central place for communication because I dont think this list is appropriate for the traffic we are likely to generate ... Any suggestions on this? And finally - if there are no objections to the above 'roadmap' - i say we try to stick to it as best we can and in the foreseeable future - the masses will have access to an incredible doc that just might spawn many more cool custom distros based on the great foundation set up by the Fedora team ... cheers and away!!! pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list From pantz at lqt.ca Wed Jan 14 16:17:28 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:17:28 -0500 Subject: Anaconda doc - lets go!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40056B98.2060608@lqt.ca> Alexander Rau (work) wrote: >November or December Forrest Taylor and I worked on a draft roadmap. > >Maybe we can use that as a start again. > > you're the twiki king ... once you have the server up and running - we can start with your draft copy that you did with Forrest and go from there ... -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From akbar501 at dslextreme.com Wed Jan 14 18:46:40 2004 From: akbar501 at dslextreme.com (Akbar S. Ahmed) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:46:40 -0800 Subject: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40058E90.8090402@dslextreme.com> Hi Alexander, Alexander Rau (work) wrote: > I got WakkaWikki working in my homeserver > > http://rau.homedns.org/wakka/ > > Should I leave the directory open or should I protect it with > username/password check? > > If so who should I set up for this and how are we going to do the password > thing? > I think a password check is good b/c then you can see who wrote what. As for setting up passwords, each user can do so by clicking on the UserSettings link. I already did this. Please remember that WikiWords have TwoWordsOrMore put together (ex. my user name is AkbarAhmed). Side note: The Anaconda Wakka link at the top of the page is broken. I also added some starter text on how to create the splash.lss image manually. Thanks, Akbar From arau at schleese.com Wed Jan 14 19:17:02 2004 From: arau at schleese.com (Alexander Rau (work)) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:17:02 -0500 Subject: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) In-Reply-To: <40058E90.8090402@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: I have twiki almost up and running except some email problem when registering users. Anybody any ideas? http://rau.homedns.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome I am already searching the web for it but so far no luck AR -----Original Message----- From: fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Akbar S. Ahmed Sent: 14 January 2004 13:47 To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: CVS in the meantime (was Re: Anaconda documents) Hi Alexander, Alexander Rau (work) wrote: > I got WakkaWikki working in my homeserver > > http://rau.homedns.org/wakka/ > > Should I leave the directory open or should I protect it with > username/password check? > > If so who should I set up for this and how are we going to do the password > thing? > I think a password check is good b/c then you can see who wrote what. As for setting up passwords, each user can do so by clicking on the UserSettings link. I already did this. Please remember that WikiWords have TwoWordsOrMore put together (ex. my user name is AkbarAhmed). Side note: The Anaconda Wakka link at the top of the page is broken. I also added some starter text on how to create the splash.lss image manually. Thanks, Akbar -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list From prietopa at terra.es Wed Jan 14 19:14:12 2004 From: prietopa at terra.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel_Prieto?=) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:14:12 +0100 Subject: unsuscribe In-Reply-To: <20040114170018.11389.64430.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <001c01c3dad2$991c9380$0100a8c0@maximo> unsuscribe -----Mensaje original----- De: fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com] En nombre de fedora-docs-list-request at redhat.com Enviado el: mi?rcoles, 14 de enero de 2004 18:00 Para: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Asunto: fedora-docs-list digest, Vol 1 #83 - 2 msgs Send fedora-docs-list mailing list submissions to fedora-docs-list at redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fedora-docs-list-request at redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of fedora-docs-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Anaconda doc - lets go!! (Alexander Rau (work)) 2. Re: Anaconda doc - lets go!! (Paul Pianta) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Alexander Rau \(work\)" To: Cc: "'Paul Pianta'" Subject: RE: Anaconda doc - lets go!! Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:54:04 -0500 Reply-To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com November or December Forrest Taylor and I worked on a draft roadmap. Maybe we can use that as a start again. AR -----Original Message----- From: fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul Pianta Sent: 14 January 2004 10:33 To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Subject: Anaconda doc - lets go!! doh i wanted to start a new thread with this ... (maybe this time!!) I don't want to sound like a control freak here but I have a plan to organise this motley crew of willing contributors ... Alexander has offered to set up wiki on his server for us. It seems like 'twiki' is actually more suitable for what we want as it has 'control revision' built in which seems more useful for our purposes. If you agree Alexander - could you check out twiki and see about getting it running on your server - maybe on the weekend if you have the time ... Grant Hill and Paul Frieds have very kindly offered their services to translate the doc into whatever formatting style redhat like to have for it to be a part of their official documentation project ... With little 'twiki' experience, I am interested in seeing how smoothly collaboration will be using a twiki server for this project, but I'm pretty sure it will work out fine - and soon we will have a 'near final' copy of a complete 'anaconda customisation' document. Once people are happy with what we have achieved through the use of the twiki - we will pass it on to Grant and/or Paul and see what they can come up with! I am even suggesting a mini-roadmap coz it seems that it is quite easy to lose track of things and let it fall into the 'yeah i will do that later - right after i organise my bookmarks list' category - and you know what that means ... ;) _*week*_ _*goal*_ today - 2004-01-18 set up twiki server 2004-01-19 - 2004-01-25 set up twiki accounts for contributors and start posting/editing 2004-01-26 - 2004-02-08 continue editing/adding/etc. and discussing (2 weeks should be good i think) 2004-02-09 - 2004-02-22 'final' revision gets passed to formatters and they get 2 weeks to make it all look great! 2004-02-23 - 20040-2-29 last minute cleanups - and submitted to redhat on the 29th!! (only happens once every 4 years so lets make it special!!) Sorry about the crappy formatting above but thunderbird tabs are a bit dodgy. This is not intended to offend anybody with strict time limits and please feel free to make any suggestions. The only other thing I am not sure about is how we can collaborate in real time if need be - maybe this can be done effectively with twiki (no idea) or maybe we can set up a channel on irc.freenode.net (eg. #anaconda-doc). Anyway we need a central place for communication because I dont think this list is appropriate for the traffic we are likely to generate ... Any suggestions on this? And finally - if there are no objections to the above 'roadmap' - i say we try to stick to it as best we can and in the foreseeable future - the masses will have access to an incredible doc that just might spawn many more cool custom distros based on the great foundation set up by the Fedora team ... cheers and away!!! pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:17:28 -0500 From: Paul Pianta To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Anaconda doc - lets go!! Reply-To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Alexander Rau (work) wrote: >November or December Forrest Taylor and I worked on a draft roadmap. > >Maybe we can use that as a start again. > > you're the twiki king ... once you have the server up and running - we can start with your draft copy that you did with Forrest and go from there ... -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! --__--__-- -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list End of fedora-docs-list Digest From olimer at cantv.net Wed Jan 14 20:14:26 2004 From: olimer at cantv.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Olimer_Pinz=F3n?=) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:14:26 -0400 Subject: Serial ATA Message-ID: <005a01c3dadb$021d6640$05000000@rescabytes.com> Hi, I need install fedora in a computer with a Promise FastTrack 376 Serial ATA controller. How can I do it? Thanks for your attention -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pantz at lqt.ca Wed Jan 14 20:45:12 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:45:12 -0500 Subject: Anaconda doc - lets go!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4005AA58.40801@lqt.ca> ok people there is now a #anaconda-doc channel on irc.freenode.net i hope it's set up ok and stays up - i'm pretty clueless when it comes to irc. if you need to chat with people or discuss anything about the doc project - thats the place to be ... i will be there with alexander trying to help him resolve a Net::SMTP problem with his twiki setup - if you have any ideas - drop in ... pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From marce at fsredes.com Thu Jan 15 01:09:17 2004 From: marce at fsredes.com (Marcelo J. Martinez) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:09:17 -0300 Subject: unsuscribe In-Reply-To: <001c01c3dad2$991c9380$0100a8c0@maximo> Message-ID: <000a01c3db04$3bcf2850$0a71a8c0@dskmsi> From ml at elf.no-ip.org Thu Jan 15 07:42:19 2004 From: ml at elf.no-ip.org (Tadashi Jokagi) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:42:19 +0900 Subject: Status of project(fedora-docs/fedora-trans) Message-ID: <4006445b.5044%ml@elf.no-ip.org> Hi, It will be the time of a "test phase" soon. Please let me know the present condition of fedora-docs. Isn't progress exhibited? I heard "i18n of a website is also considered" by fedora-trans-ja-list. Please let me know the present condition. Translation of many portions of an official site is ended in Japan. Work will become useless, if it is changed while not having been opened to the public. Regards. -- ----.----1----.----2----.----3----.----4----.----5----.----6----.----7 Tadashi Jokagi/Shibuya city mailto:elf at elf.no-ip.org YokukitanaII http://elf.no-ip.org/ Yokukitawiki http://elf.no-ip.org/wiki/ Yokukitablog http://elf.no-ip.org/blog/ From ml at elf.no-ip.org Thu Jan 15 08:27:31 2004 From: ml at elf.no-ip.org (Tadashi Jokagi) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:27:31 +0900 Subject: [Fedora-trans-list] Status of project(fedora-docs/fedora-trans) In-Reply-To: <001301c3db3f$ea2c9a00$4f2c10ac@maxwell> References: <4006445b.5044%ml@elf.no-ip.org> <010a01c3db3b$c5081320$0a01a8c0@Jamil> <001301c3db3f$ea2c9a00$4f2c10ac@maxwell> Message-ID: <40064ef3.5047%ml@elf.no-ip.org> Hi, Barzilay, David's "Re: [Fedora-trans-list] Status of project(fedora-docs/fedora-trans)" wrote: >Check the translation status page at >http://carolina.mff.cuni.cz/~trmac/fedora-i18n.html I also know the status of po. How are fedora-docs and website? Till when should we just wait? -- ----.----1----.----2----.----3----.----4----.----5----.----6----.----7 Tadashi Jokagi/Shibuya city mailto:elf at elf.no-ip.org YokukitanaII http://elf.no-ip.org/ Yokukitawiki http://elf.no-ip.org/wiki/ Yokukitablog http://elf.no-ip.org/blog/ From tfox at redhat.com Fri Jan 16 20:33:51 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:33:51 -0500 Subject: Serial ATA In-Reply-To: <005a01c3dadb$021d6640$05000000@rescabytes.com> References: <005a01c3dadb$021d6640$05000000@rescabytes.com> Message-ID: <1074285231.6415.136.camel@dhcp55-235.rdu.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 15:14, Olimer Pinz??n wrote: > Hi, > > I need install fedora in a computer with a Promise FastTrack 376 > Serial ATA controller. How can I do it? > > Thanks for your attention This list is for talking about creating docs for the Fedora Project. If you need help installing, please ask fedora-list. Thanks, Tammy From tfox at redhat.com Fri Jan 16 20:39:13 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:39:13 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-trans-list] Status of project(fedora-docs/fedora-trans) In-Reply-To: <40064ef3.5047%ml@elf.no-ip.org> References: <4006445b.5044%ml@elf.no-ip.org> <010a01c3db3b$c5081320$0a01a8c0@Jamil> <001301c3db3f$ea2c9a00$4f2c10ac@maxwell> <40064ef3.5047%ml@elf.no-ip.org> Message-ID: <1074285553.6415.142.camel@dhcp55-235.rdu.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 03:27, Tadashi Jokagi wrote: > Hi, > > Barzilay, David's "Re: [Fedora-trans-list] Status of project(fedora-docs/fedora-trans)" wrote: > >Check the translation status page at > >http://carolina.mff.cuni.cz/~trmac/fedora-i18n.html > > I also know the status of po. > How are fedora-docs and website? Sarah Smith was working on the CVS structure for translating the fedora-docs CVS module. I know she emailed me a few times about how the files in CVS are organized. Sarah, can you give the status? > Till when should we just wait? > -- > ----.----1----.----2----.----3----.----4----.----5----.----6----.----7 > Tadashi Jokagi/Shibuya city mailto:elf at elf.no-ip.org > YokukitanaII http://elf.no-ip.org/ > Yokukitawiki http://elf.no-ip.org/wiki/ > Yokukitablog http://elf.no-ip.org/blog/ > From arau at schleese.com Sat Jan 17 20:05:40 2004 From: arau at schleese.com (Alexander Rau (work)) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:05:40 -0500 Subject: anaconda twiki Message-ID: Hi anaconda-doc friends: I have set up a twiki so we can collaborate and finally start creating what we are talking about over last three months now. I have started by using Taylor's toc and now we can modify, change and improve it. The link to the twiki is http://rau.homedns.org/twiki/bin/view/Anaconda/WebHome TTYL AR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After you registered and you want to edit a page it will ask you for username and password. Once you are authenticated you can change and edit documents. This is my first twiki installation so if you come accross ay bugs please let me know. Thanks AR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Pawson" To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 3:09 AM Subject: Re: anaconda twiki > At 20:05 17/01/2004, you wrote: > >Hi anaconda-doc friends: > > > >I have set up a twiki so we can collaborate and finally start creating > >what we are talking about over last three months now. > > > >I have started by using Taylor's toc and now we can modify, change and > >improve it. > > > >The link to the twiki is > >http://rau.homedns. org/twiki/bin/view/Anaconda/WebHome > > > Log-in details please? > > regards DaveP > > > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From sarahs at redhat.com Mon Jan 19 05:46:19 2004 From: sarahs at redhat.com (Sarah Wang) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:46:19 +1000 Subject: Status of project(fedora-docs/fedora-trans) In-Reply-To: <1074285553.6415.142.camel@dhcp55-235.rdu.redhat.com> References: <4006445b.5044%ml@elf.no-ip.org> <010a01c3db3b$c5081320$0a01a8c0@Jamil> <001301c3db3f$ea2c9a00$4f2c10ac@maxwell> <40064ef3.5047%ml@elf.no-ip.org> <1074285553.6415.142.camel@dhcp55-235.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <400B6F2B.8050007@redhat.com> Tammy Fox wrote: > On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 03:27, Tadashi Jokagi wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>Barzilay, David's "Re: [Fedora-trans-list] Status of project(fedora-docs/fedora-trans)" wrote: >> >>>Check the translation status page at >>>http://carolina.mff.cuni.cz/~trmac/fedora-i18n.html >> >>I also know the status of po. >>How are fedora-docs and website? > > > Sarah Wang was working on the CVS structure for translating the > fedora-docs CVS module. I know she emailed me a few times about how the > files in CVS are organized. Sarah, can you give the status? > > Currently in the fedora-docs/ module the only completed manual is the Documentation Guide. I'm still not sure if there is any value in translating it to other languages since it's not directly related to Fedora Project. The guide is mainly concerned with the writers who I presume will write tutorials or guides in English. Any feedback/opinions on this issue are welcome. Sarah >>Till when should we just wait? >>-- >>----.----1----.----2----.----3----.----4----.----5----.----6----.----7 >>Tadashi Jokagi/Shibuya city mailto:elf at elf.no-ip.org >>YokukitanaII http://elf.no-ip.org/ >>Yokukitawiki http://elf.no-ip.org/wiki/ >>Yokukitablog http://elf.no-ip.org/blog/ >> > > > > -- > Fedora-trans-list mailing list > Fedora-trans-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list From ml at elf.no-ip.org Mon Jan 19 12:49:34 2004 From: ml at elf.no-ip.org (Tadashi Jokagi) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:49:34 +0900 Subject: [Fedora-trans-list] Re: Status of project(fedora-docs/fedora-trans) In-Reply-To: <400B6F2B.8050007@redhat.com> References: <010a01c3db3b$c5081320$0a01a8c0@Jamil> <001301c3db3f$ea2c9a00$4f2c10ac@maxwell> <40064ef3.5047%ml@elf.no-ip.org> <1074285553.6415.142.camel@dhcp55-235.rdu.redhat.com> <400B6F2B.8050007@redhat.com> Message-ID: <400bd25e.2314%ml@elf.no-ip.org> Hi. Sarah Wang's<400B6F2B.8050007 at redhat.com> wrote: >Currently in the fedora-docs/ module the only completed manual is the >Documentation Guide. I'm still not sure if there is any value in >translating it to other languages since it's not directly related to >Fedora Project. The guide is mainly concerned with the writers who I >presume will write tutorials or guides in English. > >Any feedback/opinions on this issue are welcome. How will it go on from now on? Do I hear that a new document is not in Fedora Core 2? - File and directory structure - About the contents There was some advice in the past. Is nothing advancing? -- ----.----1----.----2----.----3----.----4----.----5----.----6----.----7 Tadashi Jokagi/Setagaya city mailto:elf at elf.no-ip.org Yokukitana http://elf.no-ip.org/ Yokukitawiki http://elf.no-ip.org/wiki/ Yokukitablog http://elf.no-ip.org/blog/ From ml at elf.no-ip.org Mon Jan 19 14:55:06 2004 From: ml at elf.no-ip.org (Tadashi Jokagi) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:55:06 +0900 Subject: [Fedora-trans-list] Re: Status of project(fedora-docs/fedora-trans) In-Reply-To: <400bd25e.2314%ml@elf.no-ip.org> References: <001301c3db3f$ea2c9a00$4f2c10ac@maxwell> <40064ef3.5047%ml@elf.no-ip.org> <1074285553.6415.142.camel@dhcp55-235.rdu.redhat.com> <400B6F2B.8050007@redhat.com> <400bd25e.2314%ml@elf.no-ip.org> Message-ID: <400befca.2323%ml@elf.no-ip.org> Hi, Excuse me. I had not read the contents of this mail carefully. <1073537676.1098.365.camel at noriko.brisbane.redhat.com> Tadashi Jokagi's <400bd25e.2314%ml at elf.no-ip.org> wrote: >Hi. > >Sarah Wang's<400B6F2B.8050007 at redhat.com> wrote: >>Currently in the fedora-docs/ module the only completed manual is the >>Documentation Guide. I'm still not sure if there is any value in >>translating it to other languages since it's not directly related to >>Fedora Project. The guide is mainly concerned with the writers who I >>presume will write tutorials or guides in English. >> >>Any feedback/opinions on this issue are welcome. > >How will it go on from now on? >Do I hear that a new document is not in Fedora Core 2? > >- File and directory structure >- About the contents > >There was some advice in the past. >Is nothing advancing? -- ----.----1----.----2----.----3----.----4----.----5----.----6----.----7 Tadashi Jokagi/Setagaya city mailto:elf at elf.no-ip.org Yokukitana http://elf.no-ip.org/ Yokukitawiki http://elf.no-ip.org/wiki/ Yokukitablog http://elf.no-ip.org/blog/ From barzilay at redhat.com Thu Jan 15 08:16:45 2004 From: barzilay at redhat.com (Barzilay, David) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:16:45 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-trans-list] Status of project(fedora-docs/fedora-trans) References: <4006445b.5044%ml@elf.no-ip.org> <010a01c3db3b$c5081320$0a01a8c0@Jamil> Message-ID: <001301c3db3f$ea2c9a00$4f2c10ac@maxwell> Hi Folks! Check the translation status page at http://carolina.mff.cuni.cz/~trmac/fedora-i18n.html Cheers, David Barzilay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamil Ahmed" To: ; Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [Fedora-trans-list] Status of project(fedora-docs/fedora-trans) > We need a translation statistics page too... > so we can get our translation progress easily. > > Thanks, > `Jamil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tadashi Jokagi" > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:42 PM > Subject: [Fedora-trans-list] Status of project(fedora-docs/fedora-trans) > > > > Hi, > > It will be the time of a "test phase" soon. > > Please let me know the present condition of fedora-docs. > > Isn't progress exhibited? > > > > I heard "i18n of a website is also considered" by fedora-trans-ja-list. > > Please let me know the present condition. > > Translation of many portions of an official site is ended in Japan. > > Work will become useless, if it is changed while not having been opened to > the public. > > > > Regards. > > -- > > ----.----1----.----2----.----3----.----4----.----5----.----6----.----7 > > Tadashi Jokagi/Shibuya city mailto:elf at elf.no-ip.org > > YokukitanaII http://elf.no-ip.org/ > > Yokukitawiki http://elf.no-ip.org/wiki/ > > Yokukitablog http://elf.no-ip.org/blog/ > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-trans-list mailing list > > Fedora-trans-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list > > > > > > -- > Fedora-trans-list mailing list > Fedora-trans-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list > From fedorannounce at pech.cz Thu Jan 22 08:50:54 2004 From: fedorannounce at pech.cz (Jirka PECH) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:50:54 +0100 (CET) Subject: contribution Message-ID: <1440.193.86.239.199.1074761454.squirrel@cli.hq.cz> Hi there! May I contribute with "Oracle RDBMS 8.1.7.4 on Fedora Core 1 howto"? Have a nice day Jirka Pech From kwade at redhat.com Thu Jan 22 19:51:15 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 22 Jan 2004 11:51:15 -0800 Subject: contribution In-Reply-To: <1440.193.86.239.199.1074761454.squirrel@cli.hq.cz> References: <1440.193.86.239.199.1074761454.squirrel@cli.hq.cz> Message-ID: <1074801074.15152.410.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 00:50, Jirka PECH wrote: > Hi there! > > May I contribute with "Oracle RDBMS 8.1.7.4 on Fedora Core 1 howto"? Of course you may. :) When it is ready, I suggest posting a link to this list. Some will volunteer to edit (grammar, spelling, technical). Do you need help with the DocBook XML? I would say that having three editors review a contribution would be sufficient. I think this process is ad hoc at the moment. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade : Tech Writer, RHCE : o: +1.831.466.9664 kwade at redhat.com : http://rhea.redhat.com/ : c: +1.831.818.9995 Red Hat Applications : WAF, CMS, Portal Server -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From nagaraj at 1care.org Fri Jan 23 04:27:40 2004 From: nagaraj at 1care.org (NAGARAJ) Date: 23 Jan 2004 04:27:40 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0contributionSubject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0contribution Message-ID: <20040123042740.7172.qmail@bom1.enmail.com> Yep u send me at any one of mail id given below.. mail id 1) chnagaraj at firstsightcomputing.com 2) nagaraj at 1care.org ----- Original Message ----- >From : To : nagaraj at 1care.org Sent : Jan 22 19:27:32 IST 2004 Subject : =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0contributionSubject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0contribution > Hai >> Are u contributing the the oracle manuals or the softcopy of the product >> release notes then send me the notes in pdf or doc formats. > > I'm really sorry but my english is far from perfect so I don't exactly >understand you. You want me to send you what? > >j. > > NAGARAJAN.C.H Senior Engineer FIRST SIGHT COMPUTING New Delhi http://www.firstsightcomputing.com http://www.1care.org E mail: nagaraj at 1care.org chnagaraj at firstsightcomputing.com Delhi Contact: Bangalore Contact: Voice: +91-11-2649-0839 Voice: +91-80-5115-0955 Fax: +91-11-2649-0833 Fax: +91-80-5115-0954 Cell: +91-98910-43044 Cell: +91-98862-50158 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From parsley at happy.email.ne.jp Sun Jan 25 00:39:50 2004 From: parsley at happy.email.ne.jp (Andou Kaori) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:39:50 +0900 Subject: checking of operation to the hardware of a system Message-ID: <20040125093950.7ded0893.parsley@happy.email.ne.jp> Hi It is necessary to carry out the check of operation to the hardware of a system. Is there any schedule which offers the check list? From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Sun Jan 25 08:36:01 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:36:01 +0000 Subject: Slashdot news. Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040125083344.0265de80@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> http://standards.ieee.org/announcements/pr_linuxman.html PISCATAWAY, NJ and SAN FRANCISCO, CA, 21 January 2004 The IEEE and The Open Group have granted permission to the Linux Manual Pages Project to incorporate material from the joint IEEE 1003.1? POSIX? standard and The Open Group Base Specifications Issue 6. Is this material of use to Fedora? regards DaveP From hoyt at cavtel.net Sun Jan 25 11:46:12 2004 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (Hoyt) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 06:46:12 -0500 Subject: Slashdot news. In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040125083344.0265de80@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040125083344.0265de80@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <200401250646.12230.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Sunday 25 January 2004 03:36 am, Dave Pawson wrote: > http://standards.ieee.org/announcements/pr_linuxman.html > > > PISCATAWAY, NJ and SAN FRANCISCO, CA, 21 January 2004 The IEEE and The Open > Group have granted permission to the Linux Manual Pages Project to > incorporate material from the joint IEEE 1003.1? POSIX? standard and The > Open Group Base Specifications Issue 6. > > Is this material of use to Fedora? > > regards DaveP Fro that matter, I'm told teh Debian man pages are better written that those in Fedora. If true, what about including them? -- Hoyt From gclumpkin at yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 03:52:14 2004 From: gclumpkin at yahoo.com (Gregory Lumpkin) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:52:14 -0500 Subject: Missing DHCP Server Message-ID: <001901c3e3bf$c9616d90$100910ac@timmons.com> All: I hope this is the right forum. If not, please pardon my ignorance and point me in the right direction. I recently installed Fedora Core 1 on a Compaq Deskpro EN SFF PC. I installed ALL server software (i.e. Web, DNS, FTP, etc.). I performed the installation via FTP. After the installation was complete, I saw entries for all servers except DHCP. If It try to install the RPM again, I get an error message stating that DHCP is already installed. In fact, it was updated via RHN after the initial installation. I deleted it, downloaded the RPM from RPMFind and RHN updated it again. Also, Webmin shows it as not installed. Any ideas?!?!?!?!? Thanks, Greg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux at bytebot.net Mon Jan 26 07:30:21 2004 From: linux at bytebot.net (Colin Charles) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:30:21 +1100 Subject: Missing DHCP Server In-Reply-To: <001901c3e3bf$c9616d90$100910ac@timmons.com> References: <001901c3e3bf$c9616d90$100910ac@timmons.com> Message-ID: <1075102220.31969.0.camel@hermione> On Mon, 2004-01-26 at 14:52, Gregory Lumpkin wrote: > > I recently installed Fedora Core 1 on a Compaq Deskpro EN SFF PC. > I installed ALL server software (i.e. Web, DNS, FTP, etc.). I > performed the installation via FTP. After the installation was > complete, I saw entries for all servers except DHCP. If It try to > install the RPM again, I get an error message stating that DHCP is > already installed. In fact, it was updated via RHN after the initial > installation. I deleted it, downloaded the RPM from RPMFind and RHN > updated it again. Also, Webmin shows it as not installed. Wrong forum, try fedora-list at redhat.com for a response. -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ From linux at bytebot.net Wed Jan 28 07:51:15 2004 From: linux at bytebot.net (Colin Charles) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:51:15 +1100 Subject: FAQs and consolidating it Message-ID: <1075276274.21762.35.camel@hermione> It's common with all projects to have FAQs, and now there are plenty of FAQs out there visible on the lists. Some folk have gathered it up and created unofficial FAQs. Excellent. As part of the documentation project, I think we should gather all the FAQs out there, write it up in a useful format, and be able to host it at fedora.redhat.com. I realise that CVS access doesn't exist, but as soon as this is in place, we can all work together, and edit and create a useful FAQ list. Why consolidate? It gives Fedora a better image. Users will find answers to questions much easier. List traffic will reduce drastically. Any thoughts on this? -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ http://fedoranews.org/colin/fnu/ - Fedora News Updates From tfox at redhat.com Wed Jan 28 11:34:42 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (tfox at redhat.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:34:42 +0100 Subject: test Message-ID: <200401281110.i0SBAui12468@mx2.redhat.com> The message cannot be represented in 7-bit ASCII encoding and has been sent as a binary attachment. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: readme.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 22646 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jgh105 at york.ac.uk Wed Jan 28 15:20:04 2004 From: jgh105 at york.ac.uk (Grant Hill) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:20:04 +0000 Subject: FAQs and consolidating it In-Reply-To: <1075276274.21762.35.camel@hermione> References: <1075276274.21762.35.camel@hermione> Message-ID: <1075303203.3769.19.camel@thallium> Hi, > Some folk have gathered it up and created unofficial FAQs. Excellent. > > As part of the documentation project, I think we should gather all the > FAQs out there, write it up in a useful format, and be able to host it > at fedora.redhat.com. This is certainly a sane idea that I'd like to see implemented. I guess thats almost volunteering to help ;-) > I realise that CVS access doesn't exist, but as soon as this is in > place, we can all work together, and edit and create a useful FAQ list. > > Why consolidate? It gives Fedora a better image. Users will find answers > to questions much easier. List traffic will reduce drastically. Anything that can improve the currently poor signal to noise ratio on fedora-list has to be a /good thing/ - I've dropped to using Colin's fedora news updates myself as there's only so many times I can read emails asking how to configure flash/nvidia/whatever or asking why up2date fails (when not using a mirror) before I start to loose my grasp on reality. -- Grant Hill From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Wed Jan 28 18:00:14 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:00:14 +0000 Subject: FAQs and consolidating it In-Reply-To: <1075276274.21762.35.camel@hermione> References: <1075276274.21762.35.camel@hermione> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040128175836.0263fad8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 07:51 28/01/2004, Colin Charles wrote: >It's common with all projects to have FAQs, and now there are plenty of >FAQs out there visible on the lists. > >Some folk have gathered it up and created unofficial FAQs. Excellent. > >As part of the documentation project, I think we should gather all the >FAQs out there, write it up in a useful format, and be able to host it >at fedora.redhat.com. > >I realise that CVS access doesn't exist, but as soon as this is in >place, we can all work together, and edit and create a useful FAQ list. > >Why consolidate? It gives Fedora a better image. Users will find answers >to questions much easier. List traffic will reduce drastically. > >Any thoughts on this? Suggest docbook qandadiv blocks, qanda individual ones. I don't think fedora have used it, but wrap that docbook in Norm's website, and its easy to build a complete website from it. I'll help with markup or transforms if needed. Just let me know. HTH DaveP From kwade at redhat.com Wed Jan 28 20:23:25 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 28 Jan 2004 12:23:25 -0800 Subject: FAQs and consolidating it In-Reply-To: <1075303203.3769.19.camel@thallium> References: <1075276274.21762.35.camel@hermione> <1075303203.3769.19.camel@thallium> Message-ID: <1075321404.3062.1745.camel@erato.phig.org> On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 07:20, Grant Hill wrote: > Hi, > > > Some folk have gathered it up and created unofficial FAQs. Excellent. > > > > As part of the documentation project, I think we should gather all the > > FAQs out there, write it up in a useful format, and be able to host it > > at fedora.redhat.com. > > This is certainly a sane idea that I'd like to see implemented. I guess > thats almost volunteering to help ;-) As Dave pointed out, it's relatively straightforward to use a to accomplish a FAQ, and we should certainly produce a template for all Fedora FAQs and make it available in the docs project CVS modules. As for maintaining FAQs of disparate projects ... second-layer maintenance work will grow to be non-trivial. The developers are right there with the issues and are better maintainers of their own FAQ. However, they are not going to learn DocBook for this, right? If we convert all those FAQs and help maintain them, we'll have to act as a clearinghouse for updates -- taking in the updates from the developers, fixing the XML, and getting them uploaded to fedora.redhat.com/. That could get out of hand really fast. Taking care of a master Fedora FAQ is not specifically what this project set out to do, but I think it sounds like a sane idea and can be adopted by the project. If such a FAQ is not full of answers to technical questions but instead has pointers to other FAQs and the specific tutorials with the answers, it would be easier to maintain. In that scenario, anyone here can choose to maintain one or more FAQs personally, and make sure they get linked to from a master FAQ. At the same time, the docs project isn't saddled with maintaining any number of disparate FAQs. The process would go like this: 1. Various official and semi-official Fedora FAQ authors/maintainers provide a summary of the FAQ's scope and a URL (at our very nice request) 2. Fedora Docs FAQ team reviews these, then includes all useful links into the master FAQ 3. Periodic/regular maintenance includes link checking to ensure FAQs are still alive and relevant 4. Irregular maintenance includes responding to email from FAQ maintainers and others I recommend we volunteers: 1. Make up a template for a FAQ. I think Dave volunteered to do that? 2. Start to compile and write a master FAQ using the template, with pointers to every FAQ we know of personally which should be in there. It can include links to the other FAQs on fedora.redhat.com. 3. Contact the various FAQ authors out there about providing a summary and URL to the master FAQ; at the same time, offer them the FAQ template to use if they wish. Include links to the Fedora Doc Guide and the anonymous CVS access details. 4. Get the master FAQ available on fedora.redhat.com. I'll volunteer to do that. 5. Publicize the beast on various fedora-foo lists. At least, these are the ideas that come to my mind. ;-D - Karsten -- Karsten Wade : Tech Writer, RHCE : o: +1.831.466.9664 kwade at redhat.com : http://rhea.redhat.com/ : c: +1.831.818.9995 Red Hat Applications : WAF, CMS, Portal Server -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From uijlqfjaboez at spammotel.com Wed Jan 28 21:09:58 2004 From: uijlqfjaboez at spammotel.com (uijlqfjaboez at spammotel.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:09:58 -0500 Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details Message-ID: <1075329448.uijlqfjaboez@spammotel.com> The original message was received at Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:09:53 -0500 from localhost [127.0.0.1] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 550 Error: This message MAY contain the W32.MyDoom.A virus) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to park01.gkg.net.: >>> DATA <<< 550 Error: This message MAY contain the W32.MyDoom.A virus 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Tammy From tfox at redhat.com Wed Jan 28 23:56:51 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:56:51 -0500 Subject: FAQs and consolidating it In-Reply-To: <1075276274.21762.35.camel@hermione> References: <1075276274.21762.35.camel@hermione> Message-ID: <1075334211.8215.218.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 02:51, Colin Charles wrote: > It's common with all projects to have FAQs, and now there are plenty of > FAQs out there visible on the lists. > > Some folk have gathered it up and created unofficial FAQs. Excellent. > > As part of the documentation project, I think we should gather all the > FAQs out there, write it up in a useful format, and be able to host it > at fedora.redhat.com. > > I realise that CVS access doesn't exist, but as soon as this is in > place, we can all work together, and edit and create a useful FAQ list. > > Why consolidate? It gives Fedora a better image. Users will find answers > to questions much easier. List traffic will reduce drastically. > > Any thoughts on this? > -- > Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my > http://www.bytebot.net/ > http://fedoranews.org/colin/fnu/ - Fedora News Updates > > I totally agree. We need to have an "official" FAQ. Tammy From uijlqfjaboez at spammotel.com Thu Jan 29 10:19:40 2004 From: uijlqfjaboez at spammotel.com (uijlqfjaboez at spammotel.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 05:19:40 -0500 Subject: Mail Delivery System Message-ID: <1075370916.uijlqfjaboez@spammotel.com> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: text.pif Type: application/octet-stream Size: 22528 bytes Desc: not available URL: From uijlqfjaboez at spammotel.com Thu Jan 29 17:00:43 2004 From: uijlqfjaboez at spammotel.com (uijlqfjaboez at spammotel.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:00:43 -0500 Subject: Mail Transaction Failed Message-ID: <1075394901.uijlqfjaboez@spammotel.com> Mail transaction failed. Partial message is available. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: readme.scr Type: application/octet-stream Size: 22528 bytes Desc: not available URL: From uijlqfjaboez at spammotel.com Thu Jan 29 16:50:13 2004 From: uijlqfjaboez at spammotel.com (uijlqfjaboez at spammotel.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:50:13 -0500 Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details Message-ID: <1075395025.uijlqfjaboez@spammotel.com> The original message was received at Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:50:10 -0500 from localhost [127.0.0.1] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 550 Error: This message MAY contain the W32.MyDoom.A virus) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to park01.gkg.net.: >>> DATA <<< 550 Error: This message MAY contain the W32.MyDoom.A virus 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/rfc822-headers Size: 2041 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Thu Jan 29 16:51:37 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:51:37 +0000 Subject: FAQs and consolidating it In-Reply-To: <1075321404.3062.1745.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1075276274.21762.35.camel@hermione> <1075303203.3769.19.camel@thallium> <1075321404.3062.1745.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040129164754.025c13a8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 20:23 28/01/2004, Karsten Wade wrote: >In that scenario, anyone here can choose to maintain one or more FAQs >personally, and make sure they get linked to from a master FAQ. At the >same time, the docs project isn't saddled with maintaining any number of >disparate FAQs. > >I recommend we volunteers: > >1. Make up a template for a FAQ. I think Dave volunteered to do that? I'm edgy about your format though. for a single faq of faqs ??? it should be OK to use a single page? >2. Start to compile and write a master FAQ using the template, with >pointers to every FAQ we know of personally which should be in there. >It can include links to the other FAQs on fedora.redhat.com. Might be nice if we used entities to define the actual uri's? then some redhat/fedora person could maintain that list? That would keep a single level of indirection in a single place? Thoughts? >3. Contact the various FAQ authors out there about providing a summary >and URL to the master FAQ; at the same time, offer them the FAQ template >to use if they wish. Include links to the Fedora Doc Guide and the >anonymous CVS access details. I think the summary is key. Give me the reason to go visit? >4. Get the master FAQ available on fedora.redhat.com. I'll volunteer to >do that. > >5. Publicize the beast on various fedora-foo lists. > >At least, these are the ideas that come to my mind. ;-D Sounds good to me. regards DaveP From linux at bytebot.net Thu Jan 29 17:54:22 2004 From: linux at bytebot.net (Colin Charles) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:54:22 +1100 Subject: FAQs and consolidating it In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040129164754.025c13a8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <1075276274.21762.35.camel@hermione> <1075303203.3769.19.camel@thallium> <1075321404.3062.1745.camel@erato.phig.org> <6.0.1.1.2.20040129164754.025c13a8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <1075398861.32731.6.camel@hermione> On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 03:51, Dave Pawson wrote: > >1. Make up a template for a FAQ. I think Dave volunteered to do that? > > I'm edgy about your format though. > for a single faq of faqs ??? it should be OK > to use a single page? IMHO, can be single, or can be multiple. If a single page FAQ gets out of hand and large, breaking it up into categories will be useful. My suggestion is to plan for the future, and break it up into categories. -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ http://fedoranews.org/colin/fnu/ - Fedora News Updates From uijlqfjaboez at spammotel.com Thu Jan 29 23:32:01 2004 From: uijlqfjaboez at spammotel.com (uijlqfjaboez at spammotel.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:32:01 -0500 Subject: Hello Message-ID: <1075418399.uijlqfjaboez@spammotel.com> The message cannot be represented in 7-bit ASCII encoding and has been sent as a binary attachment. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: readme.scr Type: application/octet-stream Size: 22528 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kwade at redhat.com Fri Jan 30 01:26:09 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 29 Jan 2004 17:26:09 -0800 Subject: FAQs and consolidating it In-Reply-To: <1075398861.32731.6.camel@hermione> References: <1075276274.21762.35.camel@hermione> <1075303203.3769.19.camel@thallium> <1075321404.3062.1745.camel@erato.phig.org> <6.0.1.1.2.20040129164754.025c13a8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1075398861.32731.6.camel@hermione> Message-ID: <1075425967.3062.3938.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 09:54, Colin Charles wrote: > On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 03:51, Dave Pawson wrote: > > > >1. Make up a template for a FAQ. I think Dave volunteered to do that? > > > > I'm edgy about your format though. > > for a single faq of faqs ??? it should be OK > > to use a single page? > > IMHO, can be single, or can be multiple. If a single page FAQ gets out > of hand and large, breaking it up into categories will be useful. > > My suggestion is to plan for the future, and break it up into > categories. I agree, best to think about the future now. We can create the categories without making it multiple pages by using e.g. instead of multiple s. If we need the additional space in the future, the categories remain the same, and we move to a structure. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade : Tech Writer, RHCE : o: +1.831.466.9664 kwade at redhat.com : http://rhea.redhat.com/ : c: +1.831.818.9995 Red Hat Applications : WAF, CMS, Portal Server -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From kwade at redhat.com Fri Jan 30 01:28:14 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 29 Jan 2004 17:28:14 -0800 Subject: FAQs and consolidating it In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040129164754.025c13a8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <1075276274.21762.35.camel@hermione> <1075303203.3769.19.camel@thallium> <1075321404.3062.1745.camel@erato.phig.org> <6.0.1.1.2.20040129164754.025c13a8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <1075426093.3062.3944.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 08:51, Dave Pawson wrote: > Might be nice if we used entities to define the actual uri's? > then some redhat/fedora person could maintain that list? > That would keep a single level of indirection in a single place? > > Thoughts? That's a good idea, even one who is unfamiliar with DocBook would be able to help with the entities. > >3. Contact the various FAQ authors out there about providing a summary > >and URL to the master FAQ; at the same time, offer them the FAQ template > >to use if they wish. Include links to the Fedora Doc Guide and the > >anonymous CVS access details. > > > I think the summary is key. Give me the reason to go visit? Yes, I agree. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade : Tech Writer, RHCE : o: +1.831.466.9664 kwade at redhat.com : http://rhea.redhat.com/ : c: +1.831.818.9995 Red Hat Applications : WAF, CMS, Portal Server -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From uijlqfjaboez at spammotel.com Fri Jan 30 06:18:43 2004 From: uijlqfjaboez at spammotel.com (uijlqfjaboez at spammotel.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 01:18:43 -0500 Subject: MAIL DELIVERY SYSTEM Message-ID: <1075447586.uijlqfjaboez@spammotel.com> The message contains Unicode characters and has been sent as a binary attachment. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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